Oddly I didn't see an admission of wrongdoing in that article. Sorry bud, but unless you have a challenge to the Article 2 argument via the other two branches, looks to me like you've got bupkis. Come back when you have something legitimate.

-- shooter242

the president has admitted to ordering a program that has been, by three judges, ruled to be illegal

I assume you think standing means we can forget the above

I think it means lawsuits can't go forward right now. I don't know why you or anybody would want to pretend it didn't happen.

That is not my claim. My claims are that 1) The polling data allow for the reading that Americans want both A and B; and 2) The polling data do not unambiguously show that Americans want only A regardless of any facts on the ground in Iraq.

Liasson's claim was that American's want B, not C -- where C is "withdrawal based upon a campaign promise."

It's sad. Mara Liasson was once a pretty good reporter.

Now...she's one of the most sanctimonious of Villagers, a textbook arrogant twit. Why NPR hasn't sat on her more forcefully really is a mystery. I know people at NPR who have to think she's as much a twit as we do.

NPR has moved far to the right in 20 years..although you'd think that big gift from Joan Crock would have given the News Department some independence...instead, they have idiots like Juan Williams, who couldn't analyse his way out of a paper bag, and Ken Rudin, who, speech-impeded and all, couldn't find a genuine insight if his life depended on it.

NPR once employed a lot of very smart people. Now, increasingly, it employs a bunch of arrogant Villagers...high Broderism seems the order of the day there..although the occasional good story still manages to leak out, somehow.

So the Heritage Foundation believes that had it not been for Ronald Reagan, Jesse Helms, and the like, the Soviet Union would have been strong enough to go on forever? Interesting. I'm sure elsewhere they argued that Communism would destroy itself, but this disappears when it comes to hagiography.

"Jesse Helms was one of the most consequential figures of the 20th century. Along with Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan, he helped establish the conservative movement and became a powerful voice for free markets and free people. The defeat of Soviet communism and the rise of Ronald Reagan would not have happened without his intrepid leadership at decisive times.

July 4, 2008, like July 4, 1826, and July 4, 1831, will long be remembered as a very special day in the history of American independence. On the Fourth of July 1826, John Adams and Thomas Jefferson both died. On the Fourth of July 1831, James Monroe died. On the Fourth of July 2008, another great American patriot, Jesse Helms, died.

He was the longest serving U.S. senator from North Carolina and a great friend to The Heritage Foundation. Although America has lost a great Patriot, his legacy will live on."

- - The Heritage Foundation

"

July 7, 2008

Senator Barack Obama
713 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
Via Fax (202) 228-4260

CC: Senator Bill Nelson Fax (202 ) 228-2183

Dear Senator Obama,

In 1755, a brave founder of our country said “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”

In 1776, another founder wrote “…that so far as we approve as monarchy, that in America the law is King. For as in absolute governments the King is law, so in free countries the law ought to be King; and there ought to be no other.”

On January 28, 2008 another patriot said :

Ever since 9/11, this Administration has put forward a false choice between the liberties we cherish and the security we demand.

The FISA court works. The separation of power works…..

No one should get a free pass to violate the basic civil liberties of the American people – not the President of the United States and not the telecommunication companies that fell in line with his warrantless surveillance program.

Tomorrow the Senate will take up H.R. 6304. Will you stand with Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Paine and the Barack Obama of last January? It will not be enough merely to vote for the Dodd-Feingold amendment to strip retroactive immunity from the bill and then to vote in favor of the bill if immunity fails. There are many flaws in this bill and they all err on the side of sacrificing liberty for safety. The Barack Obama of January would not make that sacrifice.

The citizens of the United States also would not make that sacrifice. In a poll released July 3, Rasmussen Reports, an organization with a distinctly Republican flavor, reports that Americans overwhelmingly support the Constitution. Especially telling from the poll is that when faced with the question of which is the bigger danger to the country, a government that is too powerful or one that is too weak, a resounding 59% of the voting public believe that the bigger danger lies in a government that is too powerful.

You sir, stand poised at a unique tipping point in the history of our country and your actions this week will say much about our joint futures. I urge you to stand with those brave patriots who founded our country on its love for liberty. To take this stand is not to appease the “loony left”. To take this stand is to join with our founders and a majority of voters today to endorse liberty as the only true course to security. Should you choose instead to “triangulate” to the middle on this issue, your action this week could well be seen by future historians as a missed, last, chance to prevent our Constitution being relegated to the dustbin as another failed experiment.

Sincerely,

The Heritage Foundation:

http://blog.heritage.org/2008/07/04/jesse-helms-1921-2008/

"Jesse Helms was one of the most consequential figures of the 20th century. Along with Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan, he helped establish the conservative movement and became a powerful voice for free markets and free people. The defeat of Soviet communism and the rise of Ronald Reagan would not have happened without his intrepid leadership at decisive times.

July 4, 2008, like July 4, 1826, and July 4, 1831, will long be remembered as a very special day in the history of American independence. On the Fourth of July 1826, John Adams and Thomas Jefferson both died. On the Fourth of July 1831, James Monroe died. On the Fourth of July 2008, another great American patriot, Jesse Helms, died.

He was the longest serving U.S. senator from North Carolina and a great friend to The Heritage Foundation. Although America has lost a great Patriot, his legacy will live on."

- - The Heritage Foundation

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