YOU were the ONLY reason on God's Green Earth to read Salon was staggering for several weeks there ... It's not like you were "always" in the bag ... yours was a slow, nuanced, reasoned conversion....

Actually, I'm with Che Pasa ... I think most here certainly intend to vote for Obama (and many who today say they won't may change their mind when it comes down to the wire) ...

Many people who believed that Obama could and would win, handily, heavily, are now wondering about his viability as a "winner" regardless of this stands on this or that issue. That's what is alarming me at this point. That he may in fact have entered that "slippery slope" region where the MSM has sufficient ammunition to cut him down to a charicature ... as they did Gore and Kerry.

I hope all you Obamabots are happy.

Maybe Hillary was a bitch, but Obama's just proving himself to be a whore to the right wing. Just the kind of Hope we needed! Yes, he can (betray every progressive principle known to mankind)!

One of the reasons many Hillary supporters were upset at Obama, was that he embraced many of GOP sexist talking points about Hillary and used them against her in the primary (She's too unprincipled too win, she'll say and do anything to win, she's too divisive). This was largely ignored by the press and by Obama supporters, but I found it very insulting and wondered why it was OK for him to perpetuate this GOP-born image of Hillary while demanding 'politics of hope' at the same time?

Now he's embracing more GOP policy in the name of what???

Don't forget he supported the Bush/Cheney energy bill too...I wonder what he will do in regard to supporting the oil industry and appeasing oilmen in this country?

I think its fair to speculate that considering his repudiation of Wesley Clark, he's probably not on the VP list.

Where is Hillary on this recent bill? I did see that she voted 'no' on cloture of the FISA debate back in Jan '08.

but the online left needs to get over itself a little. "Blogs" weren't invented to allow criticism of the standard meme. Blogs were invented to let people tell you about their cats. At least, that's closer than Glen's proposal.

It's been uplifting to see the marginalized progressive movement seize on new technology to find its voice again. But the world is larger than progressive blogs. Hell, blogs are larger than progressive blogs.

Russ Feingold was the only senator to stand up against the USA PATRIOT act. (Even Paul Wellstone failed to stand up with Feingold.)

In 2004, Feingold's GOP challenger tried to use that issue to defeat Feingold.

It didn't work.

6% of the voters in Wisconsin in 2004 split their tickets, voting both for Bush and for Feingold, each of whom they perceived as steadfast.

I live in Illinois, so what is the downside?

BTW, as a resident of Illinois, I invite everyone to check out our senior senator, Dick Durbin. Note that he was among the 15 voting the right way last week cloture on FISA. I've often thought what a pity it is that he isn't more telegenic.

Phoenix Women, Page 14:

"But the anti-Obama feeding frenzy here at Salon long ago hit self-reinforcing Lord of the Flies territory."

susan sunflower, Page 16

"Yes, I'm one of those who considered Glenn 'in the bag' for Obama."

And the end of President Tupac Osama's first term, when he's proven he's unable and unwilling to wrest the shitstorm that George Bush created from the flames, it's you people who have chosen being craven toadies no matter what who will say that up is down black is white and it's all good.

Don't repeat right wing myths:

"Now, whether or not soldiers really were shunned is, I guess, up to debate. But it was taken as gospel when I was a kid, so I assume it was taken as gospel when Obama was a kid also. I've also heard Vets complaining about it."

Read the history and understand why these disabling and false myths about the Vietnam experience were propagated:

Read the book "The Spitting Image: Myth, Memory, and the Legacy of Vietnam" for a complete demolition and repudiation of this big lie:

http://www.amazon.com/Spitting-Image-Memory-Legacy-Vietnam/dp/0814751474

Glenn,

You pretty well described the DLC strategy from the very beginning. It began in 2006 with Pelosi taking impeachment “off the table,” and has continued through all the support she and Reid have given to the war funding bills and other capitulations. The strategy of mollifying the Republican positions has pervaded Obama’s campaign and it is easy to believe that it is a master plan design. As you stressed in your post, it is extremely important for Obama to get elected and not McCain. Obama, the DLC, Pelosi and Reid et al, know this very well and they do not believe that they will lose their base support. Obama feels free to attack Moveon.org because he knows they will still be there come November. He will continue to march down the centerline holding fast to the proposition that “playing not to lose” is the winning blueprint. The road may be littered with the remains of Wesley Clark, the Fourth Amendment, and anything else that gets in their way, but so what? To Obama and the DLC, the only thing that is important is winning; how you win is irrelevant. This is the rationalization that defines our body politic today, included with the delusion that, “We will fix things after we get elected.” In Obama, we thought we were getting a principled leader extraordinaire. His speeches echoed the restoration of humanity and the rule of law in our government. Unfortunately, the only change on the horizon may be our perception of the Democratic candidate himself. A better choice than McCain, as you point out Glenn, is not the issue.

checking out the CommonDreams archive or a google search for the Glenn columns wrt FISA they have reprinted over the past couple of weeks.

IMHO, it's a much easier format to read ...

Demanding to be "brought up to speed" ... I doubt any one else has the time or inclination ...

Yes, I'm one of those who considered Glenn "in the bag" for Obama ...