Don't repeat right wing myths:

"Now, whether or not soldiers really were shunned is, I guess, up to debate. But it was taken as gospel when I was a kid, so I assume it was taken as gospel when Obama was a kid also. I've also heard Vets complaining about it."

Read the history and understand why these disabling and false myths about the Vietnam experience were propagated:

Read the book "The Spitting Image: Myth, Memory, and the Legacy of Vietnam" for a complete demolition and repudiation of this big lie:

http://www.amazon.com/Spitting-Image-Memory-Legacy-Vietnam/dp/0814751474

And the end of President Tupac Osama's first term, when he's proven he's unable and unwilling to wrest the shitstorm that George Bush created from the flames, it's you people who have chosen being craven toadies no matter what who will say that up is down black is white and it's all good.

Phoenix Women, Page 14:

"But the anti-Obama feeding frenzy here at Salon long ago hit self-reinforcing Lord of the Flies territory."

susan sunflower, Page 16

"Yes, I'm one of those who considered Glenn 'in the bag' for Obama."

I live in Illinois, so what is the downside?

BTW, as a resident of Illinois, I invite everyone to check out our senior senator, Dick Durbin. Note that he was among the 15 voting the right way last week cloture on FISA. I've often thought what a pity it is that he isn't more telegenic.

Russ Feingold was the only senator to stand up against the USA PATRIOT act. (Even Paul Wellstone failed to stand up with Feingold.)

In 2004, Feingold's GOP challenger tried to use that issue to defeat Feingold.

It didn't work.

6% of the voters in Wisconsin in 2004 split their tickets, voting both for Bush and for Feingold, each of whom they perceived as steadfast.

but the online left needs to get over itself a little. "Blogs" weren't invented to allow criticism of the standard meme. Blogs were invented to let people tell you about their cats. At least, that's closer than Glen's proposal.

It's been uplifting to see the marginalized progressive movement seize on new technology to find its voice again. But the world is larger than progressive blogs. Hell, blogs are larger than progressive blogs.

One of the reasons many Hillary supporters were upset at Obama, was that he embraced many of GOP sexist talking points about Hillary and used them against her in the primary (She's too unprincipled too win, she'll say and do anything to win, she's too divisive). This was largely ignored by the press and by Obama supporters, but I found it very insulting and wondered why it was OK for him to perpetuate this GOP-born image of Hillary while demanding 'politics of hope' at the same time?

Now he's embracing more GOP policy in the name of what???

Don't forget he supported the Bush/Cheney energy bill too...I wonder what he will do in regard to supporting the oil industry and appeasing oilmen in this country?

I think its fair to speculate that considering his repudiation of Wesley Clark, he's probably not on the VP list.

Where is Hillary on this recent bill? I did see that she voted 'no' on cloture of the FISA debate back in Jan '08.

I hope all you Obamabots are happy.

Maybe Hillary was a bitch, but Obama's just proving himself to be a whore to the right wing. Just the kind of Hope we needed! Yes, he can (betray every progressive principle known to mankind)!

YOU were the ONLY reason on God's Green Earth to read Salon was staggering for several weeks there ... It's not like you were "always" in the bag ... yours was a slow, nuanced, reasoned conversion....

Actually, I'm with Che Pasa ... I think most here certainly intend to vote for Obama (and many who today say they won't may change their mind when it comes down to the wire) ...

Many people who believed that Obama could and would win, handily, heavily, are now wondering about his viability as a "winner" regardless of this stands on this or that issue. That's what is alarming me at this point. That he may in fact have entered that "slippery slope" region where the MSM has sufficient ammunition to cut him down to a charicature ... as they did Gore and Kerry.

In response to Glenn's posting today, and what has happened over the past couple of weeks, I sent another e-mail to the Obama campaign (the first was specifically about FISA)

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Obama Campaign Folks,

I have to be blunt: Obama is losing me right now. I've already written in about my concerns with the FISA capitulation, and I'm frustrated that Obama is buying into the right-wing (mis)framing of what Wesley Clark said. Clark was utterly correct: regardless of what he did do in the military, he didn't do anything which gives him executive experience. Most children could understand that point -- that the media are playing dumb about it doesn't mean Obama has to as well.

I understand that part of the crowd Obama is playing to is the punditocracy. But part of the benefit of raising a ton of money -- including my money -- is to buy your way past the willfully stupid people who control our discourse. If you choose not to do it, and play their games, then you lose the people like myself who hoped you'd play the game a little differently.

I'm a progressive. I don't want to be monitored by the government without my knowledge or consent. I want our government to be run not for corporations, but in the interests of its citizens. I don't think the government has any business giving my money to religious groups I don't agree with. I don't think the mainstream media is reliable or even, at a base level, good for the country. I don't have a lot of money, but I do spend some of it on people and organizations I believe in. Like most progressives, come November, I will vote for Obama. But I don't want to plug my nose while doing it.