Surely Obama's center drifting is because of the power that the Clinton-vehicle DLC commands in the party. Why not do an expose on them Glenn?

The Clinton's influence on the Democratic party is akin to the Stygian Hydra; You cut off one head and two more grow back. It's not enough to vote against them directly (as I believe many people were doing in the primaries when they cast their vote for Barack Obama), but we have to start taking a look at the organizations that they've left behind and start dismantling them as well.

For all the criticism towards Sen Obama that has come from your direction recently over FISA, I find a real lack of analysis as to the why this decision was made. You've pointed it out that the idea that somehow this decision translates into votes is ludicrous at best. So what does that leave then? Money? Who's money? Where's it going? At whose behest?

Anyway, I hope you follow this up with more detail. I don't mind the finger wagging, but the who/what/when/where of what's going on needs to be snooped out. I find it hard to believe that Howard Dean is a big fan of "moving to the center", plus the bad blood between him and Al From is legendary. Sen Obama himself has criticized them heavily in the past as well.

Why all of a sudden is he mimicking their talking points and positions? What the hell is going on here? It's certainly not a vote getting strategy, it's something else.

You can't let us down on this Glenn. You're our only hope here at Salon for real investigative political reporting ;)

Move to the center is NOT only about terrorism polictics its about A LOT Of other stuff too.

You dems need to get out more.

I consider myself left of center. That mean I like abortion rights AND gun rights. SO where do I go? That means I like green energy policy but I think France is onto something with nuclear.

That means I think people have a right to health and education and frankly that they should be fully funded by the government. But I liked Clinton's welfare to work program.

Don't you get it? MOST of America is CENTER which is why politicians (Dem and Repub alike) move center in a general election.

I'm the independent who will decide this election. Regardless of whether people are DECLARED as indie, dem or repub, MOST people identify as moderate on the actual issues. You democrats just don't choose to believe that. I don't know why other than the same ignorance and obstinance you normally attribute to ultra conservative republicans. Why don't you LISTEN and OBSERVE outside your own circles for a change?

If you think Democrats can win with only the votes of the far left, you're delusional and need to get out more. Likewise if you thank the republicans could win with only their most loony far right idiots, that would be equally delusional.

In this election McCain will win because so-called progressives are so pissed about a so-called move toward center by Obama, they won't contribute or vote while republicans will know McCain center-ward shift is nothing but campaign posturing and bullshit. They'll contribute and vote while the hyper-progressives stay home. And when McCain is elected, try bitching about FISA and gun control and offshore oil drilling and 45 nuclear plants then. OH! And Good Luck with that.

Wired:

"Mark Klein, the retired AT&T engineer who stepped forward with the technical documents at the heart of the anti-wiretapping case against AT&T, is furious at the Senate's vote on Wednesday night to hold a vote on a bill intended to put an end to that lawsuit and more than 30 others. ..."

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/06/att-whistleblow.html

The my.barackobama.com group that was set up just 5 days ago encouraging Obama to kill the new FISA legislation has become the 5th largest group on the site. That's right: a social networking site set up by Obama's own campaign has a group that's critical of one of Obama's positions. I love democracy!

If you haven't all ready, join the group and speak your mind:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/group/SenatorObama-PleaseVoteAgainstFISA

The more people who join, the more seriously Obama will take us.

Is this the worl of the same 'beltway braintrust' that has killed practically every demcorats run for the White House and many other elections since before Bill Clinton turned his back on them to win his 2 terms?

Apparently.

Was it in Mother Jones that they had an article about this 'bankrupt brain trust' mob that couldn't produce a winning campaign under threat of death and yet are the 'go to guys' for democratic campaigning?

Obama isn't God and he's definately proving that he can be 'used'. I still don't plan to vote for him and perhaps if the polls start showing an evaperation of support from traditional democrats maybe he will have enough time to pull his head out of Bush's ass and start seeing the political landscape that sees him as yet another 'republican lite' camdidate that is being over managed and turned into a sideshow freak rather than a true presidential contender...

Does 'blackness' trump old age and spit shined (and applied) wisdom? We may find out.

Perhaps if Obama flames out as so many democratic contenders have, the 'beltway brain trust' will be quietly knifed in the back and left for dead.

I guess the biggest part of this is that running as Bush's shadow is easier. You don't have to think. You don't have to suffer people pointing out that you are different than the current occupant. You don't have to suffer the slings and arrows of the people that are asses and that you point out for all to see as asses. Plus you can look like you stand for something when you really fall for anything. The race for the bottom is paved in good intentions?

This 'move' is especially troubling when you consider that practically the entire economy is seeing the results of Bush's 'expert' leadership. The time is ripe for a change and if peope don't really believe that Obama IS that change, they will look elsewhere.

God forbid that this disgusting tactic works. We'll never be able to save the democratic party then, to the loss of the nation and the world...