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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Chris Dodd's speech and a glimmer of hope for stopping the FISA bill

The Connecticut senator's passionate speech in defense of the rule of law and surveillance safeguards signals some slowly growing opposition to the FISA bill.

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Thursday, June 26, 2008 05:18 PM

JetLS

Actually, JetLS, I was born and raised in CT - so I do know what you mean. That's part of the reason I got out of the state after I graduated, although honesty compels me to admit that the main reason was that CT was so damned boring!

Nonetheless, if Obama's chance to take the state is seriously jeopardized by losing the votes of the small percentage of civil-liberties Democrats (or former Democrats) who can't stomach his change of position...well, then, maybe he shouldn't have decided that the Fourth Amendment was expendable.

But realistically, that's not going to happen; he won't lose CT. Most Democrats, like most Republicans - hell, like most human beings - seem to slavishly follow the "my team/my leader over all" pattern. It amazes me that so many Democrats who claimed to be outraged by Republican crimes against the Bill of Rights are leaping to make excuses when their "own" side does the same thing. That they don't realize that they are displaying the exact same behavior that they bitterly criticized Republicans for is merely a sad commentary on human nature.

Speaking for myself: like you, I have the luxury of being able to vote my conscience. If Obama loses Rhode Island (my current state of residence), he has much bigger problems to worry about than a few angry civil libertarians.

Would I be more worried about casting a protest vote if I lived in a state that mattered? To be honest, I just don't know! But as it is, I'm thinking I might vote for Cynthia McKinney (sp?) of the Green Party. I'll have to do some research on her positions. Yeah, I'm throwing my vote away. But I simply can't stomach the idea of voting for Obama any more. I was going to send money to him next payday, too.

ActBlue or the Greens will make better use of it, I hope.

Thursday, June 26, 2008 03:42 PM

"Demanding it"

The only thing that will bring about substantive change is us demanding it.

-- adnoto

Write in Kucinich. That will be the same as "us demanding it". I try to make fun of you, just for kicks, but it's hard to top you making fun of yourself.

Thursday, June 26, 2008 02:15 PM

@peter M

Good point, Peter and thanks. Yet, in light of the fact that this state put Lieberman back in office, and I STILL hear Bush being praised around here, I get just a tad nervous about it all. BUT, you've nevertheless made a point that gives me pause. EVERYTHING gives me pause these days, but I am not sure that this is a bad thing.

Thursday, June 26, 2008 01:09 PM

The Bitchen guy replied thusly:

Yeah right Kitt. That's what it says.

-- adnoto

Well, what does it say? It's self involved, circle-jerk bullshit. Yet you're so proud of it that you actually bothered to repost it in order to supposedly bolster and remind everyone of your tremendous intellect. "Vote Kucinich, and save the world! Or just make a really bitchen statement! Either way, I am Adnoto and you're not!" Is that what it says? Gosh. That sure was impressive.

Thursday, June 26, 2008 12:54 PM

Brain-dead

Also, your ramble that you added to your "everyone" post doesn't make any sense. It basically says, lets all just kill ourselves. What a great alternative.

-- Kitt

Yeah right Kitt. That's what it says.

Thursday, June 26, 2008 09:41 AM

Adnoto

Also, your ramble that you added to your "everyone" post doesn't make any sense. It basically says, lets all just kill ourselves. What a great alternative.

Thursday, June 26, 2008 09:39 AM

Adnoto and "everyone"

Kitt. Everyone here knows you aren't very bright and are often incapable of understanding things but I don't think that is the problem this time.--Adnoto

Yes, of course. Everyone. That is if everyone is you and and mex and sh**ter. Other than that well, you name them. See if they agree with you. Must be empowering to think that you and a couple of others with weird bones to pick computes to everyone.

Thursday, June 26, 2008 09:35 AM

Corny Cornyn

Regarding the "Big John" ad for Cornyn in Texas...

Good Lord. Wow. Big John? More like Big Lapdog. He has marched in lockstep with EVERYTHING that Bush and the administration has ordered. Never a waiver. Funny he doesn't mention that in the ad. I guess Bush is fairly toxic even here in Texas. Then again there was no substance to that ad at all. And yet, he'll be re-elected by 70% - 30% for being "Big John". Ridiculous. Mind-numbingly dumb. It's insulting to realize that the GOP knows a mindless ad like this will work in Texas. Smarter voters please.

Thursday, June 26, 2008 09:30 AM

Bravo to Dodd, Feingold et al

Sen. Dodd and I and Sen. Leahy are going to do everything we can to stop this mistake," Feingold noted, referring to fellow opponents of the bill.

These Senators are exemplary, if only because they possess that ever diminishing virtue (especially in the Ds) better known as cojones, something our standard bearer appears to lack. He now seems to be driven like a wayward seed without moorings into every rightist coven so as not to be "out McCained." (See, for example, his objection to the SC's 5-4 decision yesterday that a crime without a murder victim does not merit the death penalty)

Question: why isn't Dodd the front man and standard bearer as opposed to this chameleonlike weasel who obviously intends to permute every one of his stated positions so he isn't out-McCained? Oh yeah, all the youngsters, idealists and African-Americans desperate for anyone of like color.... bought his lines hook, line and sinker and especially all that crap about "hope" and "change".

How many more rightist positions (besides FISA, and executing child rapists) will Obie clamp onto and embrace before it's all over? I predict at least a baker's dozen. Watch for him in coming weeks to:

- Hail NAFTA as the best step to economic opportunity for all

- Advocate an across the board 10% corporate tax cut

- Advocate a "gas holiday" a la Clinton-McCain, which he had earlier repudiated

- Advocate at least a FOUR year minimal drawdown time to leave Iraq, contrary to his 16 month pledge.

And there'll be more as McCain and the GOP introduce each new pet issue, which Obama will no doubt heave to, in order to blur differences for the precious centrists, moderates. Meanwhile, his left base gets more and more pissed.

Final straw: His campaign has indicated it has no intention to cooperate with the Colorado State Party fundraisers, as reported in today's Denver Post. He believes he has all he needs to get by on his own.

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