Well that response sent me on an interesting internet journey.

I hain't smert enuf to way in on dis issu. Ie; incivil liberatarianism. I jes pays my dus to de ACLU and hope fer da best. I also hain't quik enuf of ma feet to mix it up with dem folk at Atrios' place. I've no desere to be a roasted mellowmarsh. Thank ye very much fer da warnin'.

I wonder if there will be any protests outside and in the Senate halls tomorrow to remind Senators there are consequences to their vote. It would be great if there were and if those of us who can't make it to Washington do similiar protests at our Senators's local offices - kind of a coordinated attack if you will.

What bystander said. Thanks, pow wow!

dday has a diary up on Kos

We May Have Just Gotten The FISA Debate Extended

Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 10:38:21 PM EDT

(the operative word here is "may". It's entirely possible that the Senate could finish all of the bills they want to push out by Friday.)

Anyone watching C-SPAN? Senator Reid just informed his colleagues that, because of all the other bills in the queue (like the housing bill, and the Iraq supplemental), FISA may not get a vote until after the July 4 holiday recess.

This is honestly the best we can hope for with this bill. Sens. Dodd, Wyden and Feingold are ready to filibuster and gamely trying to get colleagues to do the same (Sen. Dodd's speech tonight was a bravura performance), but realistically there aren't the numbers to stop cloture. However, that could change if the delay continues. And getting this to the recess means being able to get in a lot of Senator's faces on their trips back home. In addition, there's going to be a very short window in August where a ton of must-pass bills have to get through Congress, and throwing FISA in with that mess means that anything can happen.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/24/223033/176/554/541517

The Senate's rules are less complex to me now than they were a year ago, but note that doesn't mean I'm not easily confused. I appreciate your parsing this out.

Go, Dodd!

HOUSE DEMS WHO CHANGED THEIR VOTE TO SUPPORT FISA BILL, GIVING IMMUNITY TO TELCOS, RECEIVED, ON AVERAGE, $8,359 IN PAC CONTRIBUTIONS FROM VERIZON, AT&T, AND SPRINT

Yes, and until the "libertarians" from Lew Rockwell to Reason and Cato who have catered to and pandered for this kind of corporate unaccountability in the past that has enabled and promoted this sort of thing finally cop to it, you'll have this problem. And they have demeaned the very concept of a "civil libertarian" in the process, guilt by assoociation with the latter term, and rightly so. Don't go over to an Eschaton thread and mention you are a "libertarian," or even a "civil libertarian" because that will ignite a conflagration that will toast you like a soft, white gooey marshmallow.

If this isn't the most self-serving load of crap I've ever seen, Mona, I'm not Ron Pauliac.

I choose to stay (almost always) out of the inane flamewars because they -- and some annoying antagonists, let it be noted, fight about other than libertarianism -- are a degradation of Glenn's comments section. Frankly, I read comments here less in part because of all this crap. (And know of at least one other very savvy regular who has also cut way back on commenting because of the declining quality of comments as they are taken over by snot-nosed, fighting kids.)

William and I have always been on the right side and that gauls the hell out of some of you. Deal with it. Shut up and listen. You might learn something. Henley did. Does it sink in? You'd better hope so. I may stop giving a shit.

Two new blog postings up on HuffPo

The Harry Reid Razzle Dazzle, forget I'm the one who will call up the FISA bill and allow a vote to take place piece.

Reid Won't Support FISA Compromise, At Odds With Obama

Sam Stein

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/24/reid-wont-support-fisa-co_n_109036.html

And the FISA will happen because of traitorous Dems, Impeachment will not happen because of traitorous Dems. piece

Time for a Grand Inquest into Bush's High Crimes

Robert L. Borosage

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-l-borosage/time-for-a-grand-inquest_b_109021.html

Chris Dodd concluded his remarks about FISA and abuse of the rule of law at 10:20 p.m. EDT, and the Senate then adjourned until 9:30 a.m. tomorrow.

Please note something important that Dodd said about the pending cloture vote on the "motion to proceed" to FISA. That vote, according to the rules, was due to be held an hour or so after the Senate convenes Wednesday morning (it requires 60 votes to limit the debate to 30 more hours prior to a simple majority vote on the actual motion to proceed itself, which would then allow the bill itself to be debated and amended on the floor). [Importantly, those 30 hours of post-cloture (if invoked) debate can only be waived by unanimous consent, and don't toll when the Senate is adjourned, except by unanimous consent (for example, the Housing Bill tonight received UC agreement to continue to toll its 30 hours of post-cloture debate while the Senate stands adjourned this evening).]

BUT - as I understood Dodd this evening, he will be taking advantage of another procedural option to delay that pending FISA cloture vote tomorrow. I believe this delaying option relates to the fact that the pending/unfinished business of the Senate is (the 30 hours of post-cloture debate on) the Housing Bill (on which cloture was invoked this morning; that time won't expire until about 6 p.m. tomorrow, as I calculate it).

To wit:

"Is it the sense of the Senate that the debate shall be brought to a close?" And if that question [cloture] shall be decided in the affirmative by three-fifths of the Senators duly chosen and sworn -- except on a measure or motion to amend the Senate rules, in which case the necessary affirmative vote shall be two-thirds of the Senators present and voting -- then said measure, motion, or other matter pending before the Senate, or the unfinished business, shall be the unfinished business to the exclusion of all other business until disposed of.

http://rules.senate.gov/senaterules/rule22.php

And Dodd said twice this evening that he will object to any Unanimous Consent requests that would (bypass this provision of Rule XXII and) allow the Senate to go off the Housing Bill's post-cloture time to vote on the pending FISA cloture motion... Which should push the first FISA cloture vote back until early evening on Wednesday, rather than Wednesday morning.

So, to his enormous credit, Chris Dodd is making up for the day of delay missed on the failure to object to placing FISA on the calendar immediately last Friday, with an unexpected objection to force the Senate to remain on the important Housing Bill which is close to passage (and which Republicans forced the Senate - as usual - to take an 83-9 cloture vote on this morning). In other words, Chris Dodd is using the Senate the way the Republicans have used it all session to get their own way, but doing it this time for the American people and our Constitution, in the face of a contemptible eagerness to sell out the rule of law by his own Majority Leader (who wants desperately to pass, in addition to FISA and the Housing Bill, the Senate portions of further "emergency" colonization funding for Iraq and a Medicare fix by no later than the end of the weekend, if not sooner).