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Tuesday, June 24, 2008 12:00 AM

Hoyer hails FISA bill as "a significant victory for the Democratic Party"

The House majority leader argues that giving the GOP what it wanted on eavesdropping removed it as an election issue. That's the same mentality that led Democrats to authorize the war in 2002.

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Tuesday, June 24, 2008 08:52 PM

Agreed, LWM

I treasure William Timberman's insights. I didn't even know the translation capabilities of Wiki/Google until I had to decipher William's comments. Didn't want to miss what he was saying. Some expressions took longer than others to decipher, but were well worth the effort.

What is it this week? Battle fatigue? Full moon? Unrequited love? Simple exhaustion coming too soon in the week?

And, pmorlan. Thanks for the dday heads up. G_d. Wouldn't it be great if it were a blocked kick and not just Lucy snatching the football away. Hope does spring eternal.

Tuesday, June 24, 2008 08:53 PM

Rewarding bad behavior.

What bothers me the most is the process surrounding the granting of these letters of marque. Certainly every company will desire a certification that any spying they've done was authorized and to be granted immunity.

Why then hand the administration this stick? Why not grant immunity from prosecution on the recommendation of congress? Surely these dispensations are valuable, why give the attorney general's office the privilege of blackmailing any company that's sofar taken a principled stand?

Watch Qwest's outcome, it won't be pretty.

Tuesday, June 24, 2008 08:59 PM

bystander, etc yes.

O happy day when the market gardeners come to town. The mule wagons and the saddle bags are filled, and the wagon is stacked high with greens and fruit.

It is more of a beautiful than if those mules carried fine gold.

(inspiration from Persian, Rumi)

O happy day, happy day, O happy.

O rejoicing. Bringing in the sheaths

O, happy land tender, and if we only knew.

O (a bit of Vergil). We must cultivate the garden.

(Voltaire)

Tuesday, June 24, 2008 09:01 PM

In praise of tractors (not the sad, haunted ones in old Soviet posters)

I'm no farmer, but I've slopped hogs and driven tractors under the watchful eyes of those who were. I'm no philosopher, but I've been given the grace to see on occasion with a philosopher's eyes. I'm no artist, but I know what Gertrude Stein meant when she said that a good painting was one that let you fall asleep under its gaze. I'm no poet, no scientist, no banker, no soldier, and certainly no politician, but I can on occasion see human genius in all of them. I consider that a gift, and I'm grateful for it.

I am a tolerable cook, at least when friends are hungry, and the cook in me says this: Let's honor Bucky's absent spirit, and GC!'s present one, L.W.M., and not let pride stand in the way of a little peace. Lord willing, of course, and the creek don't rise....

Tuesday, June 24, 2008 09:10 PM

FISA/Obama/Leadership

I apologize for all for not having time to read all the posts today and forgive me if this is a repeated opinion:

I know many of you fully support the Democratic nominee, as I have always, however, there is more at stake here. The person today who has the most value to sway votes, mainly due to intense media exposure, is B. Obama. So where has he been other than supportive of FISA, and certianly silent regarding FISA contents?

My prediction: Obama will stay silent on FISA, except for his continued support of this fascist bill. FISA will pass, with his vote along with a healthy majority in congress. Obama supporters here, will continue to support him, in spite of his vote and broken promise. Sad, so very sad. Once this comes to pass, I will forever give up on traditional politics as we know it and help create the impossible formulation of a viable third party. This will be our only hope as it is painfully clear that the Democrats and Repulbicans have, for all practical purposes, merged into the same think tank.

It also may be a good opportunity for someone in the telecom industry who will guarantee, in writing, that they will not give up personal telephone/email/etc. records unless a lesser Gran Jury orders it to. God knows, we cannot trust the SCOTUS or the executive and now the legislative branch to decide what is right for Americans. Of course, in this scenario, they would be shut down, sort of like China threatens GOOGLE if they provide uncensored links to all.

Look people, this is far more serious than even GG can elequoently describe. We will survive this onslaught of our liberties, I am sure, but the USA will forever be a darker place.

Tuesday, June 24, 2008 09:18 PM

Getting a Refund

For those who've asked about my request for a partial refund of my donations to the Obama campaign, the answer is yes--they agreed to refund the money.

Again, I support Obama, and have for a while. But my first donation of the campaign season was to Dodd's campaign even though I knew he couldn't win. But he's been consistently right on this issue that so many Democrats in congress seem so wrong on.

I hope Obama comes around. If he does, my donations will start to flow again. If he doesn't, he'll get my vote in November but no more cash. He's already been weak on a couple of issues. He can't afford to be weak on defending the Constitution.

Tuesday, June 24, 2008 09:24 PM

bystander

That was a lovely recollection. Both of my parents were raised on ranches, my dad was from Nebraska, and ran away to NYC when he was 18. I still have a letter from Fiorello LaGuardia to my grandfather promising to find him. My mother was raised on a ranch in Northern California that the local Indians called the heart of God. Unfortunately for me, my parents would have none of that for their children, I was purposely kept from hard work and calloused hands. Unfortunately for my parents, I saw the value of living off the land some time ago, and bought a beautiful but small piece of land in Oregon. I still haven't cut the suburban cord, but it won't be long. I look forward to making my own excellent memories.

Tuesday, June 24, 2008 09:27 PM

I'm really tired of repeating myself

Damn, where's Ron when you need him?

Tuesday, June 24, 2008 09:39 PM

But Seriously...

I luv ya, LWM, and Ron, too.

Tuesday, June 24, 2008 09:46 PM

William Timberman.

If you are ever too senile to shave, cut your hair, bathe, and too paranoid of the barber shop because the barber wears those 'high water' pants.... britches, and charges 2-bits for a mop-chop and a leg-shave...

I request that Barack Obama agrees to trim your mustache. Someone needs to hire you to write speeches, shave head, legs, etc., and assure us you will promise to get a pair of those Elvis sideburns.

W.T. Please conform.

Please get with the show.

`O Sing it! Take it away.

`O, Yoo ain't nothing but a hound dog who whines all the time. O, these depraved critters makes UT readers want to smile all the time, but, GOPS are sold-out and the DoJ are such hypocritical persons. The dang DoJ fakes are frowning all the time like sad-sack-studs. So, Please get real. okay.

P.S.

I'll regret these expressions tomorrow. Good Night. It's hit the hay time. Where is DCLaw1?

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