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Saturday, June 21, 2008 12:00 AM

Obama's support for the FISA "compromise"

There are many important lessons from yesterday's announcement that he now supports a warrantless eavesdropping and telecom amnesty bill

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Saturday, June 21, 2008 09:01 PM

some free advice

1) fully support Sen. Obama

2) use xerobank.com for all online access (web, e-mail, VOIP, chat, etc.)

Saturday, June 21, 2008 09:01 PM

@retired military patriot

I hope you are not accusing me of blind worship or devotion to a candidate.

Not at all. I was responding to your response to my response to the highschool kid lilyrose. I was also responding, in different manner, to her original Obama-worshipful rant (as well as to other posts here that indicate an unhealthy level of hero worship with all the rationalizations that have to accompany such worship when the subject of that worship fails so miserably a very simple test).

I've been around here long enough to know you are exceedingly unlikely to fall subject to hero worship.

Saturday, June 21, 2008 09:03 PM

Here's the answer

Boycott Obama for the next 2 weeks.

Don't go to his speeches, take down the signs, skip the fundraisers, and most of all:

DON'T GIVE HIM MONEY

Just for two weeks. Long enough to get the message through, but not long enough to really hurt his chance of winning.

It'll never happen, but it could work.

Saturday, June 21, 2008 09:07 PM

That's no blogger, that's Glenzilla

Everybody see Glenn in Time?

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1816911,00.html

Saturday, June 21, 2008 09:09 PM

Oh, yeah... and money

5,179 people have raised $299,50.00 for ActBlue 9:55MT

n/t

-- bystander

Think of all the money - and hell - you can raise between now and 2012, when there will be another one of those awful primary thingies, and can hold those nuts to the fire. Personally, I think most of it will be worked out by then. If not, hopefully people will be less distracted by losing homes, starving, not having any gas in their cars, and you can arouse them about the fact that the gummint is "reading their mail" again.

I could be wrong.

In that case chain yourself to the white House and vote for Mccain! That'll fix everything!

Saturday, June 21, 2008 09:11 PM

@dmitri

Regarding xerobank. Interesting but I gotta say I have to be suspicious of such an amorphous entity. For all I know it is an NSA front at worst, or a sophisticated gang of hackers at less worst, a Chinese or Russian criminal enterprise, or something similar.

Call me paranoid but who's watching the watcher at xerobank?

Saturday, June 21, 2008 09:12 PM

No Apologies

The only way to roll back George W. Bush's abuse/invalidation of the US Constitution & Bill Of Rights unfortunately REQUIRES ignoring both the US Constitution and the Bill Of Rights. Meaning of course that WE THE PEOPLE are FUCKED. Thanx, George. (But then, again, you morons supported Regean, what is today but merely SOME of his chickens coming home to roost? - (What did Regean support that G.W. DOES NOT? - name ONE?)

Barak Obama, I know why you said what you've said and frankly, I understand why you said it but nonetheless, DAMN YOUR EYES for saying it. Franklin's 'experiment in democracy' ended August of 2006 w/ the MCA and it's time to stake the corpse lest it continue its vampiric pillage. The future is grim for the working class and as I am not a breeder, my future dies with me. It is YOUR CHILDREN, suckers, that will have to deal with both the problems ahead and the parasitic elite above who will profit from their sufferings. Lotsa luk, chumps, but again, 'twas a majority approval of the rethuglican congress & of GW in particular that allowed all of this to happen.' And you and your folks keep approving their legislation - is that why they permitted the Dems to 'win' the 2006 elections? A 'Rethug' congress would have acquired too much blame if they had kept on permitting Chaney's bunch?

p.s. The Kurt Russell movie from 1981, "Escape from New York", had airliners used as missile weapons...

Saturday, June 21, 2008 09:14 PM

Xeroxbank

You people need to "man ssh".

Saturday, June 21, 2008 09:19 PM

@tempus, I am sorry that you failed hgh school...

and had your lunch money stolen every day, but picking on me won't help your case, because calling a high school kid like me names isn't helping you much. Also, the fact that someone in high school can get your knickers up in a bunch doesn't say a whole lot about you. Besides, you are just jealous that no one has ever come close to hero worshipping you, not even your beloved Snowball.

Saturday, June 21, 2008 09:24 PM

@dmitri

Call me paranoid but who's watching the watcher at xerobank?

Nevermind. I looked closer and recognize some of the people.

One has to wonder, unless they are based off-shore, how they think they can avoid a now-legal order (thanks to the Democraps) from Preznit Obama simply stating, "by the powers invested in me by the unitary executive and the Democraps of Congress, I declare this order for a tap on your servers as legal!" It appears that they have setup a private tor network-like system rather than leaving it to the worldwide, random tor network (which is encrypted enroute too).

I already have tor, openpg for encryption, and all that...and they want $35/mo on top of the $45/mo I pay for a network connection already.

For now I'll stick with tor and openpg encryption (and various truly anonymous email accounts I setup via tor).

Saturday, June 21, 2008 09:25 PM

Obama on new FISA

Well, you see it's much easier to talk about change than to do the Right Thing and make it happen!

I'm sure the Obamaniacs will have a stinky response to Obama's change of heart.

So much for new beginnings.

Cheers.

Saturday, June 21, 2008 09:27 PM

I'm in Bizarro Land...

I see Obama approving of this heinous FISA bill and now the Wall Street Journal coming out in favor of gay marriage:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121400362307993399.html

Meanwhile, in an effort to regain my sense of place, I sent the Obama campaign a message via their web site:

I want to know what imminent threat Mr. Obama is so concerned with that he is voting in favor of the upcoming FISA reform bill. Is it merely the imminent threat that a great number of Congresspersons will be implicated in the highly unlawful surveillance of US citizens? What exactly was wrong with the old FISA rules? What prevented the government from implementing wiretaps and surveillance on suspected law breakers?

Unlike most US citizens - and some Congresspersons - I have actually read the bill. It is reprehensible. I am appalled at the capitulation both of my government *representatives* and my fellow citizens in allowing this travesty of the law pass by without so much as a protest. I really wish our government representatives would have more faith that a majority of their constituents are reasonable people, not prone to panic or irrational behavior when faced with the facts. This is not about just getting elected. This is about preserving our Constitution - a document which most of our *elected* representatives appear to have been using as toilet paper. I am truly appalled.

For what it's worth...

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