For the many folks out there who like me have made some periodic contributions to Obama's campaign and perhaps were getting ready to make another one, I have a suggestion: I'm directing my next "Obama" campaign contribution now to Blue America and emailing the Obama campaign to let them know that that's where my next donation is going to.

I know, I know, it's just a little noise among the millions Obama's campaign is vacuuming up, but if there was a couple of hundred thousand going to this campaign against Stony and his Blue Dog companions that the Obama campaign saw was related to this issue by its donors, someone may take notice and perhaps think a bit more the next time they plan to show the spine characteristics of invertebrates!

If I follow your example then I'll never have to prove my points with any evidence, will I. Resorting to the name calling and attacks just proves how beneath me you really are.

I have to laugh at all the anger in here today over your cherished Democratic party siding with the Republicans on this bill. You far left folks really are the new minority in this country. Enjoy your unhappiness, there is plenty more to come.

Glenn probably linked to this poll before, which found that the public does NOT support warrantless wiretaps, blanket warrants and Telecom amnesty:

http://www.aclu.org/safefree/general/32189leg20071016.html

I think what Reality Kid meant to say is that the war in Iraq, which Obama opposed, and a new war in Iran, which Obama opposes, is more important than the question whether telcoms can be sued or not.

Of course you live in the US, but please note that the US wiretaps the rest of the world continuously, and that no one in America - not even Glenn Greenwald - opposes that. Despite the fact that this information can be used and has been used to disappear or "render" our fellow (foreign to you) citizens.

So yes, we foreigners do feel that electing Obama and preventing new wars, tortures and other aggressions, is more important than sulking on Election Day about how Obama failed you on FISA.

And no, that is not hypocritical.

Blocking out the comment thread breaking my mind
Wank this, don't wank that, can't you ignore the troll?

to convey my anguish and despair today. I have not read all the letters here, although I will try to read some of them this weekend.

There needs to be an accounting. Our representatives have trashed and continue to trash our Constitution and our laws. Perhaps it is time to form a more perfect union, and to say "no more" to these dogs that supposedly represent us. We must do everything in our power to remove them from office, to prevent them from continuing to do damage to our laws, to stop them.

We revolted against King George in 1775, and now it is time to do the same to the new King George and his loyal minions. Mr. Hoyer, I can barely bring myself to utter your name. Have you no shame, no decency? A true traitor to the American people, and to the rule of law. History will not remember these bastards well.

I fundamentally don't get it. Obama sold out to take the UNPOPULAR position on FISA! If you're going to be a coward shouldn't you get something for it?

I'm disgusted. Now who do I vote for in November?

So sad. The terrorists are winning - they are causing us to give away our precious freedom out of fear.

your cherished Democratic party

-- bucks4mccain

It took you all day but you finally said something correct. You probably slipped up and misread your talking points. I'm sure you were supposed to say, 'democrat party'. Right?

Good post. But you forgot to mention the fact that most of the technologically advanced countries in the world pretty much spy on everyone. The U.S. isn't the evil empire spying on all of the innocent countries of the world. Our own allies spy on us more so than our enemies.

Obama was opposed to Iraq, but he didn't have a vote and it really is a moot point now. I don't agree that he is against a war with Iran either. He has stated that, if he is President, the U.S. will defend Israel's right to exist. Defend is a strong word to use and I seriously doubt he meant exclusively diplomatic measures.

Glenn,

John Dean and Olberman indicated that immunity from criminal prosecution was not in the bill (perhaps can't be). They even speculated that that was Obama's play, to go after telemos for criminal activity, once he appoints an AG willing and able to prosecute. I recall seeing in the Senate version a preclusion of local, ie state action against telecoms.

So presuming this bill passes and Obama wins the presidency:

1) could this bill be struck down as unconstitutional?

2) could telecoms be prosecuted by an Obama presidency?

3) can state AGs go after telecoms?

If you vote for them then you approve of what they do. Then you are the enemy of the Constitution, the People, the Truth.

"In fact, you failed to prove a single point here all day."

33 letters just today, and I'd say your still chasing the ribbon on your Maypole.

Just what is wrong with you???!!! The amount of energy and space you are devoting to this cretin AND THAT"S ALL HE WANTS!! He wants you to get angry, he wants you to call him names, etc. What's the point?????

On another level, concerning Obama. I think its interesting the amount of screed that is just now coming his way in some quarters. I know that FISA is one of the most important issues facing us, and certainly one that concerns me both on a poltical level and personally. That being said, the man basically prostrated himself in front of AIPAC a few weeks ago--certainly a clue to what kind of leader he would be. Thus, his FISA dodge, especially considering the fact that he voted for Dodd's anti-immunity without voting against the final bill (that was also a big clue)should not be considered anything new. I doubt Glenn ever bought into Obama's hype, but most of Glenn's coverage has also been primarily from the perspective of how differently he has been treated on certain issues than other candidates. Obviously, I preferred Obama over either Edwards, Clinton or what have you. In a world of skeezy politicians, I'll take the one that at least most represents a break from the continuity, even if most of that is artifice. There have been some of us who have rightly been quite critical of Obama while still maintaining that he is the best (and I do mean relatively) hope. That wasn't such a popular position about six months ago, in any corner of the debate.