You worry warts. It's all part of the plan, amirite!? That Obama is one crafty crypto-muslim.

Bring on the Obamapologists imo.

And Adnoto, one step back is exactly the direction LWM would like to go. Back to the good old days that a youngster like you couldn't possibly relate to or something. But why stop there? LWM would probably like to take many mane steps back, back to the dawn of civilization where the authoritarian LWM can carve LWM's laws into stone and be King of the World.

Actually, the only rational thing I can do is take my six year old son to the local park and watch him play around for awhile.

Maybe after that I'll be in a better frame of mind.

May I suggest everyone else do the same before we go writing off the future?

Don't mind me. Posting at work has its disadvantages. -- EMStoveken

Take care and better days to you. Better days to all of us....

But I'm not about to discontinue supporting Obama even if he is engaging in an utterly cynical weasel step.

The consequences if he FAILS to be elected are certainly worse than what anything that happened today.

Until and unless the public is thoroughly educated about these issues, this sort of setback is going to be as regualr as sunrises. To, that end however, the Hoyer ad is certainly money well spent.

Oh god oh god oh god this is completely insane Obama WHAT IS THE DEAL.

I think I'm going to be needing some bourbon now as well...

Hey Obama - nice little fundraising operation you got there......wouldn't want anything to happen to it now, would we? Well, I'm one donor who you can cross off the list. Don't bother calling me Barry -- I'll call you.

Well, I guess you've inspired some people with your rhetoric. But you haven't done much for me. When I voted for you recently, I was just voting against Hillary.

I absolutely will NOT donate to you, you coward.

I'm also seriously considering not voting for you, Barry, although I admit you've got me between a rock and hard place on that one.

Is anyone surprised by Obama's statement? I love the first bit and rationale, Given the grave threats that we face. Between that and some in the blogosphere predicting a 9/11- or Pearl Harbor-like attack, is it any wonder that we haven't lost more civil liberties? This is the psychological damage I referenced last night--this idea that since 9/11, we base our policy initiatives on "grave danger." (And Tempus, before you call me names again, please review systems theory.)

But back to my point: Presidential candidates and the decisions they make happen within a corrupt culture and a corrupt organization. No matter how noble the candidate, s/he often must commit an agentic shift (i.e., letting external controls permeate their decision-making rather than listening to internal controls) to be a viable candidate. Contrast this action with someone like Dennis Kucinich who does a pretty good job of listening to internal controls, but is scorned by many.

Please don't construe anything I've said to mean that I'm letting Obama off the hook for this. I'm not. I'm just saying that it's predictable.

Maybe Adnoto should be saying one step forward and three steps back. Or four, in honor of our beloved Fourth Amendment.

Senator Barack Obama today announced he would work to alter an unacceptable FISA bill currently headed for the senate. A statement issued by Obama today stated that the bill "grants retroactive immunity, and I will work in the Senate to remove this provision so that we can seek full accountability for past offenses."

...etc

lurker10k,

That particular war game was geared specifically for a Naval battle in the Straits. Of course, I wouldn't expect you to understand war strategy to any degree because you simply lack the experience necessary to carry on this debate. Yes, I've been there in the Gulf a few times and I, unlike you, actually do know what I'm talking about. How stupid would the Navy be to parade our ships through the Straits of Hormuz as giant targets for the little Iranian speedboats to attack? Answer, very stupid! The Straits are Iran's only advantage and we would quickly neutralize it. Basic common sense. I don't expect you to comprehend it.

Why didn't Sheehan post that message on DailyKos herself? That's right, she got banned from there when she made it clear that she was going to challenge Pelosi. Why was she banned? Because, you guessed it, she was challenging a Democrat and DailyKos is all about the superduper duper strategy of "ELECTING DEMOCRATS" and Sheehan can't be rocking the boat!

http://cindysheehan.dailykos.com/

My "MyBarackObama" profile is up and configured, and I will probably make FISA/Privacy/Gov't Accountability issues my #1 most talked about items on the blog there.

Not to defend Senator Obama's too-clever-by-half response (and, true, it remains to be seen whether he will do anything substantive in the Senate to expunge the offensive provisions of the bill), I still think it is paramount to support his efforts to defeat McCain in the fall.

Of course, I hold no illusions that Senator Clinton, were she in Obama's position, would have come out in full-voiced opposition of this bill (especially coming out of a less-than-crushing lead and a seemingly fractured Democratic base).

Now, from a purely political standpoint, Obama's position either way on this issue is a damned if you do, damned if you don't game of chicken with "independants", TV pundits, the right wing, lobbyists and a number of other "feet to the fire" elements. I can forgive Obama these last few slips because he is no Dennis Kucinich (who stands to lose much less than Obama).

I believe the majority of Americans oppose immunity, or do not understand the stakes. I say as much on blogspot, MyBarackObama and here. How do we inject this issue into the public conversation?

I don't know. But I'm going to try a different tack (I know, this is going to sound crazy coming from me) and try to catch some flies with honey.

Anyway, keep up the good work Glenn. I've temporarily suspended my contributions to Obama until I see some better efforts on his part. I think he flubbed this one, but its a long way to November.

Si se puede?