Thanks for the heads up about Jonathan Turley's always clear take on Constitutional law.

Mr. Turley is one of our finest scholars and really the only person in the media I trust for an accurate assessment of government action.

This is a dark, dark day.

http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/20/steny-hoyer-fisa-ad-to-run-in-washington-post/

http://www.actblue.com/page/fisa

no more money for Obama or the DNC, DSCC or DCCC. F*k'em.

Just as I thought, niether Baldie or Kitt can provide any proof whatsoever. The personal attacks are quite comical though but I don't expect any sort of tact from the left. Token conservative for this blog is signing off for the day folks. I've enjoyed some of the civil debates here today. Unfortunately, people like Baldie and Kitt bring the quality of them down quite a bit.

Have a good night and don't worry, you can sleep tight because big brother is watching ;-)

the link to Rachel Maddow's show doesn't work fyi

And invited a few friends to do the same (I don't normally do that).

As for Obama, I knew this day would come. It always does. I can be very naive, projecting my hopes onto others (e.g. voted for Nader in 2000). Still, I hope Obama wins, as he is the lesser of two evils, by far. But no more contributions are going his way. He doesn't need it.

All my donations now go to ActBlue. Let's keep up the pressure!

Kitt

tisk tisk, there my little disgruntled liberal. And I'm sure you can provide some proof of these so-called military experts that were paid to sell the Iraq war on TV and newspapers? Or is this just more twisted speculation to justify your perspective?

-- bucks4mccain

Well yes. As a matter of fact I could provide the proof. Even if I am not a "little" (funny how shitwads like to call people 'little') disgruntled liberal. But I think you would remember better what you've read if you find if for your self. Besides, I'm not your mommy or your poppa. Just search Glenn Greenwald's blog. You'll be kept busy all day and then some seeing the proof.

Which link? The one about losing your virginity in a leather bar because you wanted to be flexible?

Post the link, if you can. I expect I'll be waiting here for a very long time before you can produce it. Again, only credible sources. Not your left-wing biased database of sources.

Apologies for being repetitive...

Do you remember reading about this?

McCain Recruiting........TROLLS!!!!!!
By ronburgandy - May 20, 2008, 11:03PM
Cafe Talk | Talking Points Memo

John McCain is actively recruiting trolls to spew his talking points on blogs.

This page on his website asks for supporters to go to various blogs and "go there, and make your opinions supporting John McCain known." It then asks those that make comments to "report the details of your comment by clicking the button below. After your comments are verified, you will be awarded points through the McCain Online Action Center."

The page gives links to blogs such as dailykos, and also gives helpful "talking points" for users to push.

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/05/mccain-recruitingtrolls.php

When trolling to get John McCain schwag they don't have to care what they sound like.

no, I didn't say I'd give up anything. I said I could be flexible ...

Wire tappping for national security was legal until 1972 when the courts decided Nixon (and the Republicans) couldn't be trusted with it. While it was legal Bobby Kennedy tapped Martin Luther King's phone for'national security'. When King was sweet talking some woman Bobby used to pass the best bits on to his brother John. It probably never occurred to either of them that what they were doing was wrong: after all it was LEGAL. Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, John Kennedy and Bobby Kennedy. All murdered by the secret state. Two of them because they were outside of it and two of them because they were inside of it and got too close to its power.

Nixon went into a wire tapping frenzy after 'secret' documents about the Vietnam war were leaked and published in the New York Times in an article by William Beecher. This was information the American public was entitled to have but not in Nixon's rather strange mind. The FBI was put on the case and within a day came back to say that the leaks came from 'arrogant Kennedy people'. Nixon now went to war with his own people, never mind the Vietnamese. Wire taps were put on government officials and journalists. In the end about seventeen of them. This broke with a tradition that domestic wire taps were supposedly only used on racketeers, organized crime and foreign embassies. They were almost never used on government officials and use of them on journalists was non-existent. Nixon threw all of that out the window, sticking with the real tradition of the Republican party, which is that they're not conservatives at all but wild-eyed reactionaries who will resort to any desperate means to wield and retain power. J. Edgar Hoover, when asked about wire taps on journalists said he would never be stupid enough to do that because it would come out and 'the press would murder us' (interesting choice of words). Those were the days, when the FBI and the government and the CIA were afraid of the press! Now the 'press' is afraid of them.

When it comes to these matters both political parties have blood on their hands(so to speak)and might not want to throw that pebble into the pond (by hauling the telecoms into court) because they don't know where the ripples will end. Making spying on Americans legal might make it legal but it doesn't make it a good idea. Saying 'We just want to spy on terrorists/Muslims' is like Hitler saying 'I just want to spy on Jews'. When you consider how much their ability to spy on their own citizens has been enhanced by technological developments the lawmakers should be limiting the state's ability to carry out domestic spying, not assisting it. Terrorism, as ever, is their smokescreen for abuse of power. I read the other day that the chance of an American dying in a terrorist attack is 1 in 93,000. In other words an American is far more likely to be hit by lightning or hit by a car or to slip on the sidewalk and break their neck than to die in a terrorist attack. Trapped in the Washington bubble it might be hard for these political hacks to realize that. Their obsessions are not those of the people they govern and until they are the present dysfunctional system will continue, whoever's in government. The first step is to get rid of the Republicans because no progress at all can be made with them in the White House. My guess is that the issue of the telecoms and the surveillance laws is just another wedge issue to divide and distract the Democrats and their electoral base. From that perspective only, the Democrats have done the politically savvy thing. They should be judged on what they do if they win government.