Totally agree that everyone is entitled to their feelings. That’s why I excluded those who are venting or need time to adjust as did/do some Hillary supporters. Would I feel the same if it were Hillary instead of Obama? I would more expect it of Hillary and therefore am more disappointed with Obama than I would be with Hillary. My ignorant and very insecure comment was only applied to those who would not vote for Obama and give McSame more of a chance to win. And I stand by that.

However, I fail to see why people would need until the start of November to see the stark contrast between Obama and McShame. In fact as Jack Balkin pointed out in another post that I linked, the greater worry is how Obama if he becomes president, will use the extensive power that he will have. So those giving more of a chance to McSame are only hurting our nation more because I am certain that McWar will abuse his power to a far greater extent than Obama would. Those concerned about out constitution, as I am, need to consider the reality of where things stand today.

There are only two choices for president, not three. Those who want a viable third party, and I would be one, do not have one for November and are going to need years to create one. So I urge everyone to face the facts and then do whatever they feel will be effective to pressure Obama to honor his promises and our constitution. Giving McWar more of a chance of winning, would be a real Hobson’s choice.

I love and respect you too. I am not enjoying any luxury or feeling superior to anyone. I am simply asking thoughtful, caring people to realize the full impact of their words and actions if they are not just venting.

John Dean was on Countdown. He saw a possible pony -- that a President Obama could bring a criminal case, because this outrage only addresses the pending civil suits. I don't know if that is true, but if so, I assume that would only mean that His Nibs would pardon them on the way out the door (assuming he actually leaves).

But if they get a Presidential pardon (or if the current canker of a bill accomplishes the same thing), couldn't Henry Waxman or some other lonely truthseeker in Congress subpoena them? And wouldn't that immunity preclude pleading the 5th?

Lookin' for lemonade, folks...

I can't even look at this today. Reading Glenn's post was enough, I'll go through the letters later...it's just an abomination, what's going on. People need to wake up.

Well that pretty much does it. The Hoyer-GOP reacharound has created the spawn of Nixon and the courts can't stop it.

Frankenstein in parchment. I'm sure that Victor Hoyer is proud of his accomplishment. I only hope HIS dirty laundry is the first to go up the flag pole for all to see...

I know he'll sleep well tonight. There's probably a clause protecting his worthless ass in that abomination.

So much for keeping Bush out of our underwear drawers. I guess I'll have to replace all my BVD's with something racier for them... We'll all have reputations to live up to now... Make it worth spying on us...

God but I feel so disgusted...

I'm thinking ole' Io` at the Well feels well? I hope.

That bucks4mccain @ 5:38 PM had a big BM on line.

H/she proclaims Lemecouten (sp) @ 4:43 is so insane?

Io` in the Well @ 5:43 and Jim Montague need to comment.

'Um still carry a bag of smelly potatoes in their diaper or what?

I say~'Um need to be sent to bed early. Stay in a damn Grave-Pit!

Jim White.

Watch the floating clouds. Duck Birds. Hawks. Owls. Magpies. Pole-Cats.

Barrack's rationale for supporting this bill is pathetic. His plea of 'trust me' is nothing but petulant arrogance.

He just doesn't get it. And he's a lawyer, a constitutional lawyer at that. Doesn't he know I just don't want any government reading my mail? It doesn't matter if the government is run by Bush, or Obama, or Clinton, or, who knows, McCain. I just want the government to get lost when it comes to my privacy! Is that so hard to understand?

Yes, I am now a libertarian. Give me liberty, or give me death!

Calling Bob Barr.......

A matter of definitions, I suppose. I suspect Martin Luther King would have disagreed with you. I know I do. I thought that the Black Panther's invasion of the California State Legislature was an inspired bit of political theater, if only because the guns were unloaded.

Levitating the Pentagon, throwing hundred dollar bills onto the floor of the stock exchange, good. Burning banks, planting pipe bombs, throwing molotov cocktails at the police, bad.

And then there's the importance of context. If the aim is to persuade people of the insanity of a noxious conventional wisdom, sometimes graphic examples, coupled with a little -- or a lot -- of civil disobedience can help. Trying to scare or force people into situations where they have to do what you want them to do is always unhelpful. Hardly anyone loves a terrorist except his fellow cell members.

That's why I think adnoto would be a piss-poor activist. He doesn't seem to give a damn what people think, as long as his own hormones are satisfied. He mentioned being in the Marines; that may be the problem. The Marine Corps is probably the worst place you could possibly go for political training, unless maybe you were planning on recreating Sparta.

Please, no jokes. I've pretty much lost all hope for the future of this country right now, and I'm just not in the mood for levity. -- Peter Maranci

Check out Kucinich. You'd have to write him in but it would be a vote for a principled man.

http://kucinich.us/

"It would be supremely ironic if in late October there is leak of telecom wiretap transcripts of Americans with Hussein in their name."

Why do you believe that would be ironic? Do you really believe that if McCain and his bunch of fascist wannabees or some third party douchebags want to leak crap about "someone with Hussein in their name" that Obama not supporting this Bill would make a difference?