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Thursday, June 19, 2008 12:00 AM

George Bush's latest powers, courtesy of the Democratic Congress

Congress is going to decree that the president has the power to order private citizens to break the law, as well as to spy on our telephone calls and e-mails with no warrants.

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Thursday, June 19, 2008 07:47 PM

@L.W.M., way way back

Some people are just addicted to the Political Outrage of the Day.

I was around to be outraged by the Vietnam War, by Watergate, by the VRWC's attack on the Presidency, by the AUMF vote, by the beginning of the Iraq war, by the elevation of Alito, by the reversal of Brown vs. Board of Education. And countless lesser atrocities.

I have never been as angry as I am today. This is not the Outrage of the Day. This, this level of inexorable, calm, deliberate, and profoundly pointless betrayal by Reid and Pelosi, people I once trusted as allies, is the outrage of my lifetime.

Not to say I'm not adult enough to realize that electing Obama remains essential, however disappointing and weak-kneed he proves to be in the present crisis. But for the love of all that once was holy about America, L.W.M., don't bloody trivialize what's about to happen.

Thursday, June 19, 2008 08:01 PM

A Little Perspective, Please...

For all those trashing our nominee, can you try to take a deep breath and give the man and his team a chance to catch up? He's a bit busy, what with trying to save the world and all by winning the Presidency, so it may take a day for him to get into gear. I'm not supporting him because he's a knee-jerk guy; in fact it's the opposite. If/when he moves on this, it will be well-thought-out, based on considered judgment, and rock-solid.

Let's give our guy a little benefit of the doubt here. Of course, those of you who think he is a "machine-style Chicago pol" out for a quick score seem to have already swallowed the Blue Pill, so I guess there's no coming back -- "He's evil! He's evil!"

He hasn't let me down very often -- I am still hopeful he'll figure something out here to make us proud of him and our movement.

Thursday, June 19, 2008 08:02 PM

Niceiteis? I say Amen. Or, So Be it? I am irked, or confused a bit too....

A bird will eat a worm, a berry, and a seed grain.

A fighting person knows the body need a`filling.

People care. People frolic. Admit a body may smell.

Thursday, June 19, 2008 08:10 PM

@JimPharo

He's a bit busy, what with trying to save the world and all by winning the Presidency, so it may take a day for him to get into gear.

That is the **everyday** life of the President. Crises don't arrive on a schedule. Are you saying that Obama can't handle it?

Thursday, June 19, 2008 08:24 PM

Oh, and it not like Obama didn't know where we were on this based on the last go-round...

That is the **everyday** life of the President. Crises don't arrive on a schedule. Are you saying that Obama can't handle it?

-- macgupta

Should have had people on this days ago. 6 lawyers ready to analyze the thing 5 seconds after it was available. Seems like the fix was in on this baby some time ago from where I am sitting, but please, prove me wrong.

Thursday, June 19, 2008 08:25 PM

A suggestion ?

They want to read our email? Let 'em ! All of it! Turn off any spam blockers , and forward all the spam, and anything else you don't mind sharing, to the "Honorables", the White House , and the whole alphabet soup .

Thursday, June 19, 2008 08:26 PM

-- ethics_professor

Setting that aside, do you equate a pro-life protestor bombing an abortion clinic or a person shooting another or even Ted Kaczynski sending letter bombs with al Qaeda's attacks on the WTC and Pentagon? One might compare Timothy McVeigh's attack in OKC, but comparing the crimes you mentioned is comparing apples to oranges. As for the anthrax mailings, those crimes were never solved. al Qaeda and their ilk love to take credit where credit is due and as far as I know, they haven't claimed responsibility for the anthrax.

EP, generally you write some incredibly insightful posts but I have to take exception to this one.

Terrorism, by definition, is a tactic used to encourage or discourage certain behavior and alter the political landscape by terrorizing people. Terrorists in Iraq bomb police stations in order to dissuade other Iraqis from joining the government's police force. Abortion bombers blow up abortion clinics to dissuade women from utilizing the center. In both cases, the goal is to alter the political equation in the favor of the bomber by making people do something or not do something that the terrorist wants.

For you to minimize the damage done by those who would try to intimidate women from utilizing abortion clinics by assigning it to something akin to legitimate protest, not terrorism, or minimizing its effect on people is, in a word, wrong. It's terrorism, just as launching a missle at an Israeli school, or a Palestinian refugee camp is terrorism. Both acts, like bombing abortion centers, are designed to instill terror for political purposes.

You also mentioned that the anthrax letters should be discounted because nobody has been charged with sending the letters. That's like saying that something isn't a crime unless someone is arrested for committing it. The anthrax letters were a form of terrorism, plain and simple. That no one has been arrested for sending the letters doesn't change the fact that the acts occured and that they were terroristic in nature.

Thursday, June 19, 2008 08:28 PM

I might go the other way...

They want to read our email? Let 'em ! All of it! Turn off any spam blockers , and forward all the spam, and anything else you don't mind sharing, to the "Honorables", the White House , and the whole alphabet soup .

-- mikeinportc

and use hard encryption on every piece of garbage I send anywhere. Make them break 128-bit keys for every joke and chicken recipe. Keep them assholes and their mainframes busy 24/7.

Thursday, June 19, 2008 08:32 PM

Time to organize a boycott

In addition to annihiliating any Democrat who goes along with this we should organize boycotts of telecoms who cooperate.

Thursday, June 19, 2008 08:34 PM

Good Night.

Locust chirp. I was only in a combat jungle for 7-months.

Many various insects were chirring the night I was wounded.

I used to not be able to eat from the gnaw and persistent grief.

Oh, if the government calls me up I say : `'Um are real snoops.

Thursday, June 19, 2008 08:46 PM

I shouldn't but I did..

Just paid $2100 in rent, but I chipped in $105 to ActBlue anyway:

4097 contributers, $238,819 dollars raised
Thursday, June 19, 2008 09:13 PM

R.I.P. the Bill of Rights...and R.I.P. the Democratic Party

Out here in Texas today was Juneteenth, the day that the former slaves heard of their freedom...and in the future it will be known as the day that any American who cared about the Constitution heard that the Democratic Party handed Bush the shovel with which to bury it. Of course this will not be noted openly as any such recognition will be considered to be "aiding and abetting the Terrorists."

Has anyone tried to read 1984 lately? I just did, and it was too painful...I had to stop.

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