Rethuglicans steamroller him and Congress, he won't get my money.

Cheers,

-- Arne Langsetmo

I think he's doing okay on money so I think you should keep your money or put it to good use with the PACs Glenn and others are setting up. Educating the public about this issue is the only sure-fire and effective method of counteracting it. That takes time and money and institutional infrastructure and non-profits. The ideological foundation is already there. It's the constitution. This is nothing new. Back when I was in college I remember a study that was done in the 70's. A group of students took a mock up of a petition out to see if they could get signatures on it. It was actually the BoR, but reworded and disguised. Most people felt it was "too radical" and wouldn't sign it. There is a very strong current of anti-intellectualism in America going all the way back to the founding. Hofstadter won the Pulitzer in '64 for a book about it.

http://www.amazon.com/Anti-Intellectualism-American-Life-Richard-Hofstadter/dp/0394703170

Glenn, don't you know that Obama is AT WAR. Criticizing him right now is akin to treason. Don't distract people when they are fighting for YOU!! You should be hanged. Win first, criticize later.

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Bravo, dems. Really...truly awesome opposition!! And to watch the dem-robots here attempt to justify what happened is really nothing short of hilarious.

Keep your eye on the prize, robots!!

I'm sure he will fight for telecom imunity, for you.

children. What a waste

I have not had a chance to read all the posts, so I may be making a point that someone else has already raised. The word "certifies" in the above section intrigues me. Certify means that a peron is swearing under oath (and subject to penalties for perjury) that statements in a document are true and based upon his or her personal knowledge. I have not had a chance to review the proposed bill, but I am assuming that the certification to the district court must be in writing.

The current AG is Mukasey. He was not the AG for the period covered by the bill. Essentially, the law empowers Mukasey to certify to a district court that the telecoms took their action at the behest of the President and that the actions were necessary to prevent terrorism, blah, blah, blah. However, Mukasey would have no first hand knowledge of the facts surrounding any of these requests. The two people most knowledgeable about any requests made between 2001 and 2007 would be Ashcroft and Gonzalez. I would think that any certification by Mukasey would be based upon hearsay, and therefore not admissible in a federal district court. Also, if Mukasey certifies something to a district court knowing it was false, then he would be committing perjury. As a former district court judge himself, one would hope that Mukasey would have slightly more respect for the truth. Finally, a party typically has the opportunity to depose an individual that submits an affidavit or certification. While it appears that the proposed bill cuts out the plaintiffs, the district court judges still have the inherent power to question the person making the certification, i.e., Mukasey.

Is Mukasey really willing to fall on his sword to risk covering for the misdeeds of his two predecessors and others in the administration. Since the requests came from the President, it should be he who has to certify to the district court that everything was on the up and up. Just one more examply of George Bush evading responsibility for his actions.

After thinking this through, my only hope is that the Democrats are trying to trick the Republicans into walking into some type of trap. For example, the bill states that any documents submitted to the district court remain secret. However, should there be a Democratic-controlled Congress and White House, they could amend the law to make these records public. Also, the immunity extends only to civil liability. If the documents were no longer secret, they could be used to prosecute the telecoms and the individual members of the Bush Administration for breaking the law.

I know this is highly unlikely, but right now it is all I have. I live in Peter Roskam's district in Illinois, and he is nothing but a Republican gimp. I saw him marching in a parade this past Saturday and felt the overwhelming urge to pummel him with the cheap crappy candy his supporters were handing out. However, I restrained myself because I knew that I would end up in jail. What a world we live in.

The Democratic Party is a political party in name only.

No ideology, no agenda, no strategy, no rhetoric, no party discipline and no leaders.

The only thing they've got going for them is that they're not Republicans, who are certifiably insane.

hahahahahaha

I know clinton is out. I know her people are going to obama. What, you dittoheads and yoru sabotage keep failing? Wright didn't work? clinton didn't work?

you clowns are grasping at straws. I guess glen didn't make the money being legit he thought. So his only choice is going the joan walsh rush limbaugh angry anti-obama, on us. A propogandists for profit. Sad. This man was on point. He let his emotions and ideals get in the way of his big brain.

THINK. If you are progressives/liberals, think before you open your mouths, or fingers as it where.

What are yoru chocies? Tell me and I'll go away. What will mccain do for you? nothing. He will widen the issue, not resolve it. Do you people have a third prty waiting in teh wings I don't knwo about.

looks liek the dittoheads are out in full force today.

Who would ever think I would be the sane calming responsible one here?

"What are yoru chocies? Tell me and I'll go away. What will mccain do for you? nothing. He will widen the issue, not resolve it. Do you people have a progressive/liebrals third party waiting in the wings I don't know about."