Adnoto all your rantings are nothing more then the cries of a baby. I can't get my way all the time, so I'm going home and not playing anymore. Wah Wah Wah I'm not going to vote for Obama because he's the same as McCain. Wah Wah Wah There's no difference between democrats and republicans. Wah Wah Wah Does baby need it's diaper changed?

From reading your posts it sounds like they will be dealing with our Permanent Imperial Outposts in Iraq and spying on citizens. That sounds like quite a day for the Empire.

Since this section clearly states that it affects conduct prior to January 2007, isn't this an ex post facto law, and therefore unconstitutional?

I still fail to see why any reasonable person (e.g., one not receiving large cash payments for one's reelection campaign) would think this is a good idea. If we believe that our courts dispense justice, then either the activities of the telecoms was legal -- in which case they have nothing to fear -- or not -- in which case they rightly have everything to fear.

but none of it would cause me to vote for anyone other than Obama. There are too many other factors that would become greater disasters if a Republican were to retain the Presidency. And all of this being said without knowing for sure yet where Obama will fall on this bill in the next 24 hours.

We were originally talking about going after some of the vulnerable Blue Dogs in Congress, however, and I believe that's an idea with merit. FISA is being passed by people who, I assume, believe there's no political fallout from their vote (nowhere else for us to go) and that's probably a good calculation unless we can get to a position with leverage.

So a no brainer: I made a donation. You want to argue how many or how few Blue Dogs to target before we are in danger of tipping the balance, fine, no problem, but I don't see any value in doing absolutely nothing out of fear. Fear is what got us here.

I wish Dodd and Feingold will quit the Democratic Party and become Independents.

The Jim Jeffords model.

Just say your guy was Ron Paul and really get the old man's blood flowing.

And "Democracy" is a sham, a neoliberal NWO buzzword for slavery. Nevermind that we are supposed to be living in a constitusional republic. You vote, they decide. Democracy is doing a great job giving BushCo everything it wants and being a voice of the people. Giving the President the power to spy on citizens in secret? Why, it's just Democracy!

They may like him for silly and foolish reasons but that's democracy. You just don't care for it much.

-- L.W.M.

You are a liar. Since you know enough to speak about what I care for then you are just flat out lying. I happen to care for democracy very much...which makes you a liar.

This is been going on for quite a while why such an uproar. Nobody is going to be able to do anything about it. What Bushy wants Bushy gets. What a vile person.

I hate to say it, but Ralph Nader was right: there is no difference between the parties. We need to get all the clowns out of power and start over. As long as there are incumbents and lobbyists, nothing is going to change. I'm so mad! I want to take my country back, but don't see how. It just will not happen at the ballot box. The game is rigged. I'm just tired of protests and ad campaigns and 'call your representative.' To hell with it.

This is just another example of how we have so easily given up our ideals in the name of 'security.' Bin Laden has won, and we did all the hard work for him.

Nevermind that we are supposed to be living in a constitusional republic.

But you might as well, adnoto. Join the ranks of the anti-intellectuals, kooks and morons who do economics without math.

Your almost half way there.

"I'd like to underscore the fact that in 2006, when the Congress was controlled by Bill Frist and Denny Hastert, the administration tried to get a bill passed legalizing warrantless eavesdropping and telecom amnesty, but was unable. They had to wait until the Congress was controlled by Steny Hoyer, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid to accomplish that."

Maybe they wanted to be in a position to wait for a better payoff into their war chests from the telecoms.

The major change an obama presidency would ensure would be so massive, this would pale in comparision. But still.

-- rufus11

Sorry, Rufus, but with all due respect, THIS is where Obama needs to stand up and be the leader we all want him to be and kill this bill dead in the Senate. It will be TOO LATE for him to do a damn thing about it if/when he takes office. What he's going to do, push through reverse legislation? Good luck with that. The GOP aren't pussies like the Dems. They'll kill any reversal, because they're not douche bags, like the douche bag Dems.

Obama wants to represent the change we want. We can't do this. He can.

Time to step up and lead.

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Send fax to Pelosi:

Steny Hoyer's "compromise" on telecom immunity is a joke. And you all know it. Nice precedent.

Let's see...if the "government" orders Blackwater to shoot my children down in the streets, they can do it with impunity and immunity. I guess that's only fair, since they're already doing it in Iraq.

Habeas: canceled. Rule of Law: canceled. Separation of Powers: canceled. Unreasonable search and Seizure: canceled.

If you get to work on restoring the Divine Right of Kings, Dick Cheney will die happy.

Please pull this bill.

Send fax to Obama:

I can't support your campaign if I have to spend all my $$ fighting Democratic initiatives by Steny Hoyer.

My fax to Speaker Pelosi follows.

We need to hear from you. You are the leader of your party.

Please lead.

Send fax to Hoyer: Sorry, just can't do it.