Will the money be spent ONLY on advertising against the Blue Dog democrats or will it also be used for promoting democrats (or republicans?) interested in maintaining or reinstating civil liberties?

I hope the funds will only be spent to target the "bad" politicians. Otherwise, how will this PAC be any different from all the others?

I hope someone can answer this before I donate.

Thank you in advance....

...and my man an avocational Constitutional lawyer.

I called his campaign today (866) 675-2008 [Dial 6, then 0,]

and had a very nice conversation with a young man who was sympathetic courteous and everything I'd come to expect from the campaign.

I told him I'd canvassed for Barack, marched for him and faithfully sent him my lousy $20 every month... with the expectation that he'd stand up for us in this thing, at least.

For me it is a touch-stone issue sort of one-trick pony in my allegiances.

The aide was sympathetic. agreed that we should have a statement at the very least and we parted friends. I was not wholly reassured, however.

And here make this commitment that; If Barack Obama who is a good & decent person and:

One who will make a great President, DOESN'T help us with this Orwellian Tragedy;

My monthly pittance...upped to $50 is going to your PAC.

God Bless Us Everyone.

James Taylor MD(ret.)/Montana

Man was I off...

THE FACTS: Obama acknowledges that over nearly eight years in the Illinois Senate, he voted "present" 129 times. That was out of roughly 4,000 votes he cast, so those "presents" amounted to about one of every 31 votes in his legislative career.

Illinois legislators often vote "present" and for a wide variety of reasons. Sometimes blocs of lawmakers do it as a protest in some dispute over rules and procedures. Obama was often joined in his "present" votes by 10 or 20 other senators.

Clinton supporters = clowns.

I'm addicted to politics. The internet is how I got newly re-involved in it and how I get my daily fix. Some people are just addicted to the Political Outrage of the Day. I got past that phase some time in 2005.

;-P a

Call the Republicans and ask them if they would be comfortable granting all this power to the next President if that person is a Democrat. Maybe they will think twice. No President should be able to do this.

But will someone PLEASE jam a pacifier into some of these whiny leftists?

I like to consider myself quite liberal and tolerant of many ideas, but some of the posts in this thread test my patience to the very limit. I can appreciate and respect the justifiable outrage over this bill. What I don't appreciate are some self-righteous people who feel they can hold the future of my country hostage in the name of ideological purity.

You people want to throw a temper tantrum in the voting booth? Go right ahead. But you'd better damn well be ready to take your share of responsibility if things turn out wrong in November. Unless you're willing to support an instant runoff voting system, you're not proving anything to me by running your mouths about how you hate the Democratic Party.

Not only is this a capitulation now, but the expiration date of 2012 is set precisely to coincide with a presidential election cycle givng the GOP another opportunity to question the Democratic party's willingness to combat terrorism.

You are either part of the problem or part of the solution. Tempus and adnoto have shown what side they are on.

-- Conservativeslayer

How could you possibly know who is or is not part of the solution? You don't even know what the problem is you dimwit.

according to the woman I just spoke with.

Hoyer's aide, although he was very nice, only wanted to talk about what he claimed was an improvement in the language of the original FISA bill, and claimed (unbelievably) that he had no knowledge about retroactive immunity for the telecoms.

Pelosi's aide both yesterday and today was a complete automaton who would offer absolutely no engagement on any aspect of the legislation, simply transferring me to the constituent line to leave a recording, which I envisioned as either going directly to that little room on Folsom street where AT&T stores their government-sanctioned telecommunications vacccum or to a cheap answering machine in the employee break room where disgruntled aides listened to me while rolling their eyes and making that blah-blah yap-yap motion with their hands.

Why bother voting for Democrats if this is the result? Before the 2006 election I worked myself up to vote for Democrats this way:

- The Republicans are the party actively trampling on core democratic values like the rule of law and the separation of powers; the Democrats are merely the party that is too cowardly to make a serious effort to stop them.

But more and more it looks like many Democrats are just as eager as the Republicans to trample on those basic values.

Am I going to have to vote for Bob Barr (libertarian) for president? Ugh!

Will the money be spent ONLY on advertising against the Blue Dog democrats or will it also be used for promoting democrats (or republicans?) interested in maintaining or reinstating civil liberties?

The funds being raised right now have nothing to do with the new PAC. Those will be used exclusively for ads and other types of campaigns against Steny Hoyer, Chris Carney and John Barrow (at least).

The new PAC will do mostly campaigns of that sort as well, but I can't say it will never positively support any candidate.

But again, the funds being raised through the ActBlue page aren't for the new PAC. They're strictly for the campaign to harm as much as possible the three chosen, vulnerable enablers of this bill.

But you'd better damn well be ready to take your share of responsibility if things turn out wrong in November. Unless you're willing to support an instant runoff voting system, you're not proving anything to me by running your mouths about how you hate the Democratic Party.

-- V.B. from MN

Have you taken responsibility for the last 8 years? No? Well don't expect us to take responsibility when either of the two establishment candidates gets elected. They aren't our guy. Wear it.