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Thursday, June 19, 2008 12:00 AM

Obama, telecoms and the Beltway system

Why is the Democratic nominee intervening in a Democratic primary to support one of the worst pro-war, Bush-enabling Blue Dogs against a highly credible, progressive challenger?

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Thursday, June 19, 2008 07:33 AM

Can Regina Thomas Win?

The 12th has been gerrymandered to within an inch of its life. It has a large military population. It was re-drawn, scratched out, and re-drawn again in a grotesque power-play to continue the Republican domination of Georgia (and there were bedfellows from the Democratic Party in that game). Regina Thomas is a popular legislator and a reliable one. I respect her and would like to see her win. But the reality of that district is that military voices (and not necessarily just Republican ones) and conservative voices are strong. Another way of framing the question is this: is the telecom issue worth losing the seat for the Democrats? Do you know anything about John Barrow if what you know comes from sitting at your computer in Seattle watching a five-second you-tube clip? I don't know, but if you're going to get involved in a congressional race, whether for or against a candidate, you have to know the realities of that district.

Actually, this is the first thing I've seen Obama do in some time that strikes me as politically mature. It probably wouldn't benefit him electorally to support Barrow over Thomas.

Thursday, June 19, 2008 07:36 AM

@adnoto and more preaching to the choir...

And let's not forget the Molly Maguires, the Knights of Labor, the IWW, and the thousands of other regular people who were threatened, beaten, abused, arrested, murdered - who organized, marched, barricaded, and sometimes rioted - to win for us such things as the minimum wage, the "weekend," social security, unemployment insurance, safe workplaces, workman's compensation, and equal rights - great social gains that the Democrats have temerity to take credit for when it was us and people like us who forced them to make those changes.

Let's not forget these good men and women who realized that voting, by itself, is about as useful as not voting at all.

Thursday, June 19, 2008 07:37 AM

I wrote Obama again...

Dear Senator Obama,

I am writing you for the second time today to urge you to take a meaningful stand on the issue of telecom amnesty, which will soon be up for a vote in Congress.

As I understand it, this bill and the back room wheeling and dealing that has been used to push it to a vote are examples of the corrupt politics you hope to stamp out if you become President. This is one of the major reasons you have my support as a presidential candidate.

This makes it difficult for me to understand why you have taped an endorsement for Representative John Barrow and are supporting him in the Georgia primary elections. He wants to vote for the Senate Rockefeller/Cheney telecom amnesty bill, which is a position diametrically opposed to your own statements on this crucial issue.

Senator Obama, why would you support this candidate, even though he is about to betray the Democratic Party and the democratic principles of our nation by voting for a bill that clearly undermines the rule of law?

The groundswell of support for your presidential campaign came from your willingness to break with the destructive policies of the Bush administration. Just think of how electrified your supporters are by your famous antiwar speech, delivered at a time when nearly your entire party was toeing the Bush line.

Please, Senator Obama, have the courage to stand up for what's right on this issue. As the Democratic nominee, you are in the unique position to put pressure on those members of your party who are STILL shilling for the Republicans the same way they did at the beginning of the war.

If you're really the change candidate, if you're really willing to make tough decisions in order to do what's right for our country: Don't support incumbents who brag about voting like Republicans, and please take a stand against telecom immunity.

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Their comment form always makes me feel like nobody's going to read what I wrote though. Does anyone have an actual email address?

Thursday, June 19, 2008 07:41 AM

I'll vote for the guy

But still, I hope he's got more than hope.

Apologists out there, who would explain away this endorsement as politically astute, miss the point.

Sure, Thomas might be a long shot.

As some other black candidate that I know, used be considered.

Good thing for Obama that his supporters are not so politically astute.

Thursday, June 19, 2008 07:42 AM

@Sysprog, Adnoto

For my 15th birthday, I want an electric guitar, a vintage pre-CBS Strat and a Marshall stack, a drum set, synthesizer and a Corvette, and whirled peas.

Adnoto,

Since I am the problem, I've decided that if Sysprog gets me want I want for my 15th birthday, I'll be sooo happy I could die and go to heaven. That will solve all your problems and make the country whole again! It'll work for me as well because I'm really gettin sick of your whining.

;-)

Thursday, June 19, 2008 07:43 AM

Tina Trent

is the telecom issue worth losing the seat for the Democrats?

Absolutely not. The fate of the Republic rests on having John Barrow in the House and making sure the Democrats have a 252-183 lead rather than a 251-182.

By contrast, the Fourth Amendment and the rule of law don't matter at all -- at least not when weighed against keeping John Barrow in Congress.

Thursday, June 19, 2008 07:43 AM

Thank you for that.

And let's not forget the Molly Maguires, the Knights of Labor, the IWW, and the thousands of other regular people who were threatened, beaten, abused, arrested, murdered - who organized, marched, barricaded, and sometimes rioted - to win for us such things as the minimum wage, the "weekend," social security, unemployment insurance, safe workplaces, workman's compensation, and equal rights - great social gains that the Democrats have temerity to take credit for when it was us and people like us who forced them to make those changes.

Let's not forget these good men and women who realized that voting, by itself, is about as useful as not voting at all.

-- djmagaro

Yes, Absolutely. Well said.

Thursday, June 19, 2008 07:44 AM

@Tina Trent

How dare you try to bring some maturity and reality to this discussion. Can't you see that everyone else, Glenn included, wants to form up the old Democratic firing squad? "Okay, everybody in a circle, ready, aim...

Thursday, June 19, 2008 07:48 AM

No Action, No $

I can't vote, because I'm not an American citizen, but I did write to Senator Obama to let him know that if this legislation passes, neither I nor my husband (who is a citizen), will donate a single dollar to any Democratic candidate.

While I believe it is important that there be a Democratic majority after the next election, I'm not giving them my money unless they're actually going to do the job they were elected to do. I'll give it to those fighting against telecom immunity.

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