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Friday, June 13, 2008 12:00 AM

Conservatism vs. authoritarianism: The British vs. the U.S. right

While British conservatives oppose mild increases in government detention and surveillance powers, American "conservatives" support endless expansion of those powers.

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Friday, June 13, 2008 03:05 PM

Now Glenn, let's be fair about this.

Much of the opposition to this expansion of the Government's detention power comes from the British Right

Our own wingnuts would be dead-set against this sort of thing as well if only it were being done by a Democratic administration.

Friday, June 13, 2008 03:07 PM

Making jokes about Glenn asking you to change your behavior is really classy

You are basically mocking GG and his requests to try and keep it civil around here. Funny stuff. Really. You people are hilarious in the way you make everything a joke, especially when you mock GG's requests to try and tone down war in your mind.

But I guess like the authoritarian LWM, who is above all rules, likes to say, it isn't at all about what GG would like to see in these comments, notably less Ron Paul bickering, instead "It's all about you".

But like I may have said. I've already broken my promise and posted in this thread again. Time to show GG the respect he deserves and leave the thread instead of basically telling him to fuck off so that I can use his blog to tell lies about people that I have an unhealthy obsession with.

Friday, June 13, 2008 03:07 PM

joeMomma

That's an excellent point.

Friday, June 13, 2008 03:14 PM

@JoeMommaSun

Our own wingnuts would be dead-set against this sort of thing as well if only it were being done by a Democratic administration.

You have at type. Here, I fixed it:

Our own wingnuts will be dead-set against this sort of thing as well when it is being done by a Democratic administration.

If and when Obama wins, nothing will change. He will sit on the throne like a good puppet and he will not repeal any of these executive powers. That is when our own wingnuts will all of a sudden change their tune.

Everyone loves to worship the king, as long as it is their king.

Friday, June 13, 2008 03:18 PM

@Chris

But like I may have said. I've already broken my promise and posted in this thread again. Time to show GG the respect he deserves and leave the thread instead of basically telling him to fuck off so that I can use his blog to tell lies about people that I have an unhealthy obsession with.

See how easy it is when you think it through for yourself? And for a righteous guy like you,the distance from thought to action is very short.

Friday, June 13, 2008 03:33 PM

The last digit of pi

That is great editing by TPM, thanks for the link. It's unfortunate that Russert's aggressiveness in this clip never carried over once candidates were in office, especially if they were GOP. Once they got in, what one sees here in Russert virtually disappeared.

Friday, June 13, 2008 04:00 PM

Not really, CO

Ron Pauliac

No, didn't see it. But that story is just a carbon copy of so many others, I can imagine. They just keep popping up, like whack-a-moles.

-- casual_observer

Engel has been there longer than anyone in the MSM. He's not some wonk just popping over for a visit. To cast his reporting as something akin to "stay the course" and defending the invasion, occupation and surge means you either didn't read or understand it or you can't tell the difference between the spin from either side. It's never "all good" or "all bad" and lessening violence is the best we can hope for. In spite of what the tactical and logistical geniuses around here think, there is no orderly, safe and quick withdrawal under hostile conditions or while a civil war is raging.

I've never been comforable with black and white world views from either side of a controversy. I prefer more nuance.

Unrelated to my response to CO:

Shocking, isn't it Derbig?

Some people actually read Glenn's columns before posting a comment.

Friday, June 13, 2008 04:10 PM

Is there audio of your debate with Babbin?

I'd like to hear it.

Friday, June 13, 2008 04:18 PM

@LWM

Shocking, isn't it Derbig?

Some people actually read Glenn's columns before posting a comment.

Wow! I never thought of doing it that way!

Why don't we stick to the usual arrangement, you read the column, and then tell Ron Pauliac to tell me what to say.

I'm not really clear on how we are supposed to communicate- Buckyl took that secret with him.

Chris knows it, but he ain't telling.

Since I'm a "sock puppet" LWM, can I change my handle to "argyle" or maybe "gold toe"? I could bend gender a little if you want, and be a "stocking puppet" if you want. You're the arbiter. Let me know.

Friday, June 13, 2008 04:22 PM

The ultimate answer

Now Brown is pulling and equally arbitrary 42 days out of his ass.
— The last digit of pi

Hardly arbitrary. Everyone knows that 42 is the ultimate answer to life, the universe and all that.

Friday, June 13, 2008 04:25 PM

@LWM

Anyway, since I found this again in my favorites:

http://www.drury.edu/ess/Logic/Informal/Overview.html (or click my name)

I feel much better. Not quite so alone and abandoned.

Friday, June 13, 2008 04:28 PM

Thank the rednecks

The GOP's obsessive authoritarianism was catapulted when they duped 50-100 million American rednecks into the party using hot button issues like gay rights and abortion. I was raised by these know-nothings and their primary instinct is to obey (preferably them) and he/she who does not obey is ruthlessly bullied and even killed. In fact, Texas gives you a pretty good picture of what these people have to offer the country. JFK, LBJ and now Bush all exemplify the Texas and American redneck's view that the answer to anything is to KEEL IT!

I was just in Europe and the front page of one German newspaper examined the American redneck as the world's biggest circus freak. I guess you have to go out of the country to learn that our own Surgeon General reports that one-third of the population of red states is morbidly obese, something never heard of in the world before, since not even a pig will eat itself to death. I see this when I visit my hometown and the average weight is 300-500 pounds. You will often see these morbid monsters having to prop two restaurant chairs under their titanic waddlers. They blather on about what a good Christian George Bush is as they stuff 2-3 slices of pizza in their face at a time.

I remember when I was in college and we were watching the movie "Carrie" and a girl in my suite could not believe that there were actually people like Carrie's mother. I told here there were three on my block alone when I was growing up. So there you have it: homocidal, religious mentally ill, morbidly obese ignoramuses preening over what a good man George W. Bush is, the very death of America in all of its fat hideous glory.

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