You guys must either live in a dream world or you're batshit crazy. If The House started impeachment hearings today, there would not be enough time to even get a quorum in the Judicial Committee, much less pass Articles of Impeachment in the whole House and then persuade 2/3rds of the Senate to convict. We have a hard enough time getting a simple majority to pass easy, non-political, stuff nevermind getting 2/3rds to pass something like impeachment - especially in an election year.

You can take your practicality and shove it. You have no idea what would/could happen if enough people stopped making excuses and decided to simply act on principle.

Besides, it isn't about "practicality" in the first place. It is about attempting to do the right thing, Period. I think you are lying when you say you want BushCo out. If you did want him out you would support the effort by the "better democrats" we already have in place, such as Kucinich and now Wexler. There is no legitimate reason not to. Especially not the "fear of failure" reasoning. Your practicality concerns are just bullshit and further proof that the "Obama will save us/more and better democrats" meme is a very harmful red herring perpetrated by liars and/or the willfully stupid.

Like I said before, people like you are the reason we will continue to have "leaders" like BushCo every 10-20 years. It certainly isn't because of us "batshit crazy" people who want their elected representatives in congress to use the constitutional provision for removing an obviously lawless executive.

A good and honest U.S. Congressman has started the process. He has facts, evidence and the balls to make something happen. Are you going to back him or hold fast to your fraudulent reasoning and excuse making?

Bush doesn't leave office for over 7 months. That is plenty of time to make it happen IF congress finds the will. During Watergate it took less time to all but impeach Nixon from start to finish of the formal impeachment process--February-August '74. So arguments about there being no time to do this fall flat. As do ones about how congress has more important things to do, which are beyond ludicrous since anyone with half a brain knows that congress has a near 0% chance of passing anything good that Bush would sign. Just look at this week's energy bills. Rather, congress is far more likely to pass yet more horrible bills, such as this one, and anything that could prevent it from doing that would be a welcome "distraction".

But thanks for telling us what we can do with our "dicks", literally and metaphorically (for those not properly equipped, or otherwise not so inclined).

Glenn, in case you missed it, as reported by the Hill (http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/fisa-measure-tests-relationship-between-rockefeller-and-bond-2008-06-09.html):

FISA measure tests relationship between Rockefeller and Bond

Tension is growing between the two senators who shepherded a controversial rewrite of surveillance laws through the Senate, with each dismissing the other’s role in closed-door negotiations to finalize a deal with the House and the Bush administration.

…“The DNI has not talked to Chairman Rockefeller. I have worked with the intelligence community, the Republican leaders in the House to make the offer that we made to Mr. Hoyer,” Bond said.

Rockefeller responds: “I have been working with the DNI and with Steny Hoyer, and [Bond] is the one that has not been involved.”

…Democrats privately say that they have been agitated by Bond’s aggressive style and partisan attacks and that the Republican has tried to insert himself into the process as they delicately attempt a compromise with the administration.

But Republicans say Rockefeller has created problems by backing away from assurances to keep the Senate bill intact and that his role is now grossly overstated…

…After The Hill reported Rockefeller’s comments last week, the White House and DNI came to Bond’s defense and issued statements saying that the administration was not holding separate talks with Democrats. Bond has been the point person in trying to break the stalemate, they stated, and they reaffirmed their support of the recent GOP plan.

Shana Marchio, a Bond spokeswoman, said the administration’s statements “speak for themselves.”

Marchio said last week that Bond was unaware of Rockefeller’s “direct involvement” in the FISA discussions between the House and Senate.

When asked about those statements, Rockefeller had this to say: “What I think about that is that they don’t know what they’re talking about.”

Hmmm…did someone finally come up with the right strategy to stop the Repugs? Pissing on their shoes and telling ‘em, “It’s raining” works for me. *g*

Just getting back online...Wanted to respond to you.

I see there has been some discussion on impeachment already. Let me start by saying I agree with you in almost every respect, when you wrote:

Why are you looking for "other ways" when we have the means, the procedures and the evidence to do it ourselves? What good are we if we incapable of getting our own house in order? How will we ever deal with these types of issues in the future if we cannot put our house in order now? We are in this position, in large part, because we have avoided doing the correct thing in the past. How many times are we going to let these people get away with this shit before we do something about it? Never? We are incapable? We now need the international criminal court to do the right thing for us? As a nation, are we really that devoid of principles and morals?

I would submit that unless we do it ourselves it will not mean much in the long run.

While we seem to have "the means, the procedures and the evidence to do it ourselves", we (and by we I mean congress) seems to lack the political will to do it. And if it is not done, and done with ferocity, and succeeding thoroughly, it will only end up vindicating Bush.

Maybe our leaders have become devoid of principals and morals. Maybe we do need an outside body to show us how it's done. It is my lack of faith in the current crop of leaders that leads me to suggest what I did. The way I see it, we already had the chance to get our house in order, and we blew it.

Maybe, by joining, and showing faith in, a neutral international system of justice, instead of once again "Going it alone", we can actually raise our stature abroad. Maybe that's a stretch, but I think our future as human beings depends on us moving toward a more international cooperation, in this way and others.

Plus, I would really, really like to see pictures of Bush in chains.