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Wednesday, May 14, 2008 12:00 AM

"Actual journalists" as government spokespeople

New documents obtained by the ACLU shed more light on the U.S. torture regime and how "actual journalism" works.

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Wednesday, May 14, 2008 12:54 PM

turn your head emaydon

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Wednesday, May 14, 2008 12:56 PM

Thank Goodness for Glenn

People like Joe Klein need to be held accountable, and thank goodness there's someone as astute and articulate as Glenn to do it.

Me? I try not o trouble my beautiful mind with the ramblings of nitwits like Klein.

I kid the former first lady. I kid. But the point is that truly the best way for those of us who are convinced that Mr. Klein has no more to offer than your garden variety middle school history teacher to respond is to stop paying the slightest attention to him.

And Russert. And Stephenopolous, And so on.

The future, kids, is right here. With real talent and real dedication like Glenn's. Lucky us!

Wednesday, May 14, 2008 12:56 PM

Just another page in the RWA playbook

[Glenn, from the post]: Tom Friedman said that the reason the invasion of Iraq was "unquestionably worth doing" was because it was critical that we "take out our big sticks" and tell Muslims: "Suck. On. This."

There's no need for Freudian expertise here. And we see the same 'sentiment' crop up in other abuses (that, at least, most

Disclosure: I have also had the "pleasure" of being assaulted by some little sh*t that thinks he's tough, in a holding cell with a half dozen cops standing round waiting for any sign of resistance so they can join in the festivities. But at least there was no broomsticks handy....

These people are sick. Sexual abuse in the context of an "interrogation" is quite competent to incriminate ... the perpetrator.

And, as Glenn points out, this was the approved "MO" of the U.S.

Why should we be surprised that some of them were sodomised? At least the perps felt like "men", even if nothing else 'good' resulted.....

Cheers,

Wednesday, May 14, 2008 12:57 PM

Palpable Improvement.

Gosh, the comments around here are great when destructive influences are kept at bay. I enjoy reading them.

Wednesday, May 14, 2008 12:57 PM

re: How Actual Journalism Works.

>"(Greenwald and others ridiculed that column.)"

too.

bah.

~ William! wb. You must have travelled many farsakhs, my fine feathered friend, parched and weary. Lasciate ogni speranze!

Fear ye not, enter here and abandon all your worries by the doorside. Yea, drink deep from the well-spring of optimism and cling ye to the robe of hope. (ie. Literally, take your shoes and relax.)

Wednesday, May 14, 2008 12:59 PM

Like Joe would know anything about it.

Time's Joe Klein, in a post this week he entitled "How Actual Journalism Works"

That's kind of like Bush writing a book on successful negotiation.

Wednesday, May 14, 2008 01:01 PM

Bubee. I vowed to hush,.,.

I just stopped by @ UT for some quail eggs. Quail eggs can be pickled for evening sipping treats. I am wondering if all Saudi tourist, fill the suitcase with rubber, multi-colored, foot crocks, egg roles, or bowls of PHO?

The rice/noodle soup? It's delicious!

Open up? Experiment. New victuals

The 'Crocks' are becoming popular!

In rural lands I see milk parlor shoes.

Crocks.

Goodbye.

Crocks now seem to replace tie-strings.

Leather farm stinky manure-smell boots.

It'd` is difficult to keep abreast. O socks?

They never ever match. There must be,

a unmatched pair of unmatched socks?

Oh, my home-Place is so-so-so untidy!

Wednesday, May 14, 2008 01:01 PM

When Johnnie comes marching home...

It's happening to others, to the "terrorists".

Unfortunately, Americans will not understand what a policy of state torture, which requires state torturers, and occupation, which requires an army of occupation really means until those people come home, and Americans see what it has done to them.

That may have some effect.

Wednesday, May 14, 2008 01:08 PM

@ Svensker

The ACLU are commie pinko America-hating terrorist lovers. They will say anything just to be mean to America.

Joe Klein, et al, loves America. They only say good things about America and Americans.

Anyone who doesn't understand this is obviously a commie pinko America-hating terrorist lover, too.

Why can't you get this basic fact?

Uff da! Watch it. "Walkers" is in the building. Some people need <SARCASM> and </SARCASM> tags, or can't be troubled to figure it out.

One needs to be particularly careful in these parlous times, I'd note. Given the present political atmosphere (and the present sheer wingnuttery of the foaming RW which the media gives such an echo chamber to), it does become difficult to separate the poseurs from the pros. We ought to seriously consider licensing satirists, so that the public can know the real thing when they see it. "Truth in advertising", you know. It's the 'Merkun Way....

Cheers,

Wednesday, May 14, 2008 01:15 PM

@ Derbig Mooser

Unfortunately, Americans will not understand what a policy of state torture, which requires state torturers, and occupation, which requires an army of occupation really means until those people come home, and Americans see what it has done to them.

The maladministration tried to hush that up as well. Suicides among returning vets is at an all-time high, and the gummint tried to put the lid on that.

And then there's the military guy that was supposed to review ethics and abuses and such over there (can't remember his name; ca anyone help me out?) A little short of returning home, he committed suicide....

Cheers,

Wednesday, May 14, 2008 01:20 PM

The discredited pundit class

I hate to use yet another sports analogy but it describes our pundit class so perfectly I can't resist. Last night watching Klein's fellow pundits repeat the same tired canards about the primary, I couldn't help but think of washed up announcers from the 80s the first time Joe Montana led the 49ers to the Super Bowl. Here was a new-fangled passing game that no one had ever seen before, the 49ers were rolling opponents and yet the announcers kept talking about how they HAD TO HAVE a ground game to win it all. They went on to win title after title with their West coast offense. Obama, the pundits all say, just HAS TO EARN the hard-working white votes over; in fact he is crumblign withotu their help. Obama came out of nowhere to win more votes than any primary candidate ever, beat an anointed candidate with a former prez as spokesman, brought millions of new voters to the ranks, developed new-fangled ways of reaching those voters and their pocketbooks, operated a groundbreaking new strategy for winning the nomination, and ALL the pundits can talk about is he can't get the lower class white vote. You would think at this point in the election they might give him and his campaign managers some credit for knowing what they are doing and that maybe their strategy for the general election is just as solid. The point is that pundits like Klein or Buchanan or Friedman just keep coming back with the same old bromides about elections (they were wrong about Wright having an effect), foreign affairs (wrong too many times to list), domestic policy (everything from the debt crisis to Katrina)and they are being proven WRONG time and time again. Yet nobody except for GG is pointing out the little emperors have no clothes.

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