The sad part is all of the people who ordered, authorized, supported, reported positively, or whatever the torture will all later become respected "elder statesmen" (or their journalistic equivalent).

It's like Kissinger - another war criminal who is talked about with great respect when he ought to be wearing an orange jump suit for his crimes. Which just goes to show our (American) belief in rightiousness is really strictly defined by our needs.

At best these people should end up as pariahs, but it will all be forgotten.

Thanks for linking to that -- even though most of it isn't new, it's put together perfectly and is (therefore) quite difficult to read.

I don't subscribe to the "old news"/"can't we just move on" school of crimpro defence either. An outrage is not made more palatable by neglect, ignorance, or traumatically blunted affect.

But I do hope you meant "hard to swallow", rather than "difficult to read"....

Cheers,

But I do hope you meant "hard to swallow", rather than "difficult to read"....

Yes, that's what I meant. It's difficult to read because it's hard to swallow.

Military propaganda operation & Karl Rove:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/14/201014/764/730/514899

All must read and gaze awestruck at the interview President Bush gave to Mike Allen at The Politico. It touches on virtually all of the themes that have been aired here about the disgrace of current journalism. No surprise it came courtesy of The Politico.

Virtually no substantive questions, a grotesquely chummy tone, misstatements of fact about Bush, even a headline: "Bush warns of disaster" totally unsupported by the contents of the interview that -of course- is meant to stir national security hysteria.

It provides us the astounding news that Bush's version of sacrifice to honor the sacrifices made by others for the war is to give up golf. And, as Dan Froomkin points out, even his story about when and why he quit is contradicted by contemporaneous news stories of his golfing well after the day he said he quit.

Almost overlooked in all of the filth is the fascinating reminder that Bush doesn't use email because he doesn't want anyone reading them down the road. Mike Allen informs us that he is looking forward to using email again when he leaves office. This prompted Dan Froomkin in his column to dig up the absolutely classic quote from a speech to the American Society of Newspaper Editors: "You know, I don't email, however. And there's a reason. I don't want you reading my personal stuff. There has got to be a certain sense of privacy. . . . And so I've made -- I've made an easy decision there. I just don't do it. Which is sad, really, when you think about it."

Perhaps the first smart thing he's on record saying given the evidence of law breaking coming out of the Pentagon analyst program document dump.

But doesn't anyone see the -so harsh your eyes bleed- irony about President Bush opining about the importance of privacy and how sad it is he has to alter his behavior to avoid a loss of privacy?

I can only guess that it occurred to him to stop using email when he was reading the emails picked up at the AT&T substation in San Francisco.

The Politico interview should be framed and kept as the ultimate symbol of the Alice in Wonderland world we've been living in for seven years.

Zionism, by its definition, demands war, demands racism. How else to explain the expulsions, the demolitions, the lands grabbed via the death of innocents?

I am most definitely not confused, and the historical record, starting with 1896, will back me up. This is not ignorance speaking. Those who agree with Iseroff should perhaps adopt a new moniker in order to avoid the aspersions.

You can't pretend it's benign. It's like putting lipstick on a pig.

All must read and gaze awestruck at the interview President Bush gave to Mike Allen at The Politico. It touches on virtually all of the themes that have been aired here about the disgrace of current journalism. No surprise it came courtesy of The Politico.

Virtually no substantive questions, a grotesquely chummy tone, misstatements of fact about Bush, even a headline: "Bush warns of disaster" totally unsupported by the contents of the interview that -of course- is meant to stir national security hysteria.

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The Politico interview should be framed and kept as the ultimate symbol of the Alice in Wonderland world we've been living in for seven years.

Isn't Mike Allen that sniveling little sycophant we sometimes see on MSNBC and other gasbag shows, who practically licks his lips with boyish excitement as he talks about the latest political blub-blub-blub?

RUKidding me hits on an important point here. If I were Bush, so utterly despised and criminally implicated,and therefore protective of my "privacy," I would have gotten a different job. When you're the frikking PRESIDENT, you don't have the luxury of privacy. Nothing you do is "personal." Paging Bill Clinton?

It's despicable and risibly hypocritical that these sociopaths proudly talk about the importance of "privacy," all the while declaring that everyone else deserves none such thing.

Would that instead of "real" journalists like Klein, we simply had video clippers who placed all statements on a given topic together, using the google, and ran them unedited.

Thus, we'd have "a wiretap requires a warrant" juxtaposed with the subsequent statements attempting to justify the opposite, and on and on.

What "journalists" do these days, is patiently and windily explain to the benighted why down is up and black is white, ala Klein, the "analysts," et al.

Nothing else matters unless this pattern is stopped.

PS.. Pedinska and Quickstrategy, I propose changing the name of the heretofore "EWWW" Award to QS's "Hurl Check." You both are in the running, so you pick.

These days, the political isn't just personal, it's visceral.

'Hurl Check' would be better if someone could show me how to add that TM sign, like Arne's EedjitBlaster. But me, I like it. :>

From way upthread, sorry not to reply sooner:

The invasion of Iraq is looking more and more like one big homosexual panic.

What worries me is that I think you just gave the conspirators their legal defense strategy. :>