Letters to the Editor
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Pedinska
wrote "competently". We won't be able to run it as "completely" as the Republicans did because we will be dealing with the dregs of their Supreme Court appointments for decades to come.
I believe you are right, though, that the Dems will be blamed for every mismanagement that was committed on Bush's watch. That's part of the SOP for that bunch.
-- Pedinska
Opps. Sorry about that.
However, I am real concerned that the Obama administration will come to "own" the war/occupation like Nixon came to "own" Nam. If the bipartisan empire to to be brought to heel, we need to be sure blame is placed where it belongs.
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Scratching my head (how did you know, GC?)
Media Matters Exclusive: 4,500+ Appearances/Quotations by Military Analysts Identified in New York Times Exposé on Pentagon Program
More Details on the Media Matters Exclusive: http://mediamatters.org/items/200805130001
Congress Takes Action as Media Remains Largely Silent
http://mediamatters.org/items/200805130002
That's a whole lotta propaganda
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Howdy, WT
Under the Soviet model, Karl Rove, being a political officer, might not have originated a military propaganda action -- I think quickstrategy is right about that -- but as a member of the Politburo principally concerned with domestic political control, he would almost certainly have been consulted as a matter of course.
It was approved at the top, like everything else.
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Arne? Do you need a body guard chaperone on the wedding day?
Michael de` Montaigne mentioned he hates the unclaimed vice within people. It was said something similar to that. The haters do hate. I hate the projection of their own loathsome self-hate upon others. (sick). It's nauseating. Arne. I wish you marital bliss. Love each other and never assimilate hate. Sip Mead.
Who can respect haters who lie?
Why should we respect de` loathsome?
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TPM Muckraker doc diving thread link, active since yesterday afternoon.
This link below probably won't wrap well. Large amounts of redaction in the .pdfs of emails look like butt-covering rather than legitimately driven by the need to protect government actions or personnel: see p.6161 in the April 23 Barstow release -- it looks as though much simple rudeness was blacked out... or maybe not. The blocs of emails download quickly.
What is striking is the persistent general tone in these emails; there is no question that they pertain to a conscious, concerted propaganda effort. Funded by taxpayers dollars, naturally. http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/05/pentagon_military_analyst_doc.php#comment-2808056
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Joining in the welcome back to WT
Gosh, if you'd been gone another day or two I was going to start searching the Arizona obituaries. *g*
Hope you had a good trip.
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Still under a National State of Emergency
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/09/20070920-9.html
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/09/20070912-2.html
We are still under a national state of emergency. Is this why impeachment is "off the table"? Is this why there is no accountability? Are executive emergency powers in affect? Can anybody answer this?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070509-12.html
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Unravel the frayed edges on this one
I agree with the sentiment that I'd be more surprised if Rove was not involved than to learn that he was. But I'm much more concerned that this frightening spectacle of orchestrated propaganda not lose steam over it. Put another way, whattya gonna do, subpoena Karl Rove? There's an issue that is already framed elsewhere and could easily become the easy dodge for those trying to avoid responsibility in this instance: let Rove run out the clock in another diversionary stonewall of a congressional subpoena, meanwhile the roaches scatter.
Instead, I say keep the criminal focus on the players we know. Let them be indicted, let them plead "I vas only following ze orders." That's when some accountability may start being demanded.
OK, so the Bush White House, in the person of Karl Rove, took an interest in trying to whitewash the war. As objectively disgraceful as that might be, there's nobody in the world, except maybe Doug Feith (except when he's lucid), who doubts that. But here we have concrete evidence of how it was done, at the level of those who committed the felonies. Let's go get those guys! Move in that direction, forcefully, see who has to follow as it unfolds. I think worrying about Karl Rove might play right into the hands of those who are looking for a way to dismiss this very serious problem as nothing but a diversion in an election year.
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Links Fest
Thanks again to everyone leaving breadcrumb trails of links to source documents and analysis. I've been trying to find the links and cited law that provides the basis of this campaign being illegal, but so far it's eluding me. Does anyone have it here?
I created a post of links to all of GG's related posts and comments pages, the original DOD document dump, the NYT Barstow reportage, subsequent source documents and analysis and Congressional acts, letters and documents. The link is at my name. Will try to update as I (or you) find links.
Thanks - and especially so for the law citations.
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Jim White. Thanks. I feared W.T. was scratching his butt in the Australian Nectar section of the alps.
Jeanette D. never traveled in the Norwegian river fjords lands. Darn it. Threadbare at the knees, love even the Easter Bunny.
If the bride is not mundane,
behave, and enjoy morel soup.
It's as hard to be barn`ed here,
hard as it is to begin the Hague Trials.
Why? Poke or Pinch Pedinska in the ribs?
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Jim White @ backstabbers
That fits perfectly. Thanks.
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@ L.W.M.
Yes, of course. The problem for us, though, is how to document the workings of that top, which even in the face turned toward us, hardly appears to be a monolith.
Despite the yeoman work done by intrepid NYT and McClatchy reporters, and the exegesis provided us by the inspired lawyery of Glenn and the good folks at Balkinization, we still aren't terribly clear about many details of the interactions of Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rove and Gonzales. We still don't know in any detail which parts of administration policy each was responsible for, and who -- if anyone -- was responsible for coordinating the actions each presumably initiated in his part of the forest.
Then again, maybe they weren't so clear about it themselves. Most totalitarian governments -- Hitler's more visibly than Stalin's, at least at the beginning -- were at war with themselves a good part of the time. They didn't just lie to outsiders; they lied to each other as well, it was an essential part of who they were. Which is just as well for us, I figure, in the sense that if our present totalitarian wannabes follow the expected pattern, their internal conflicts constitute a blind spot which we can exploit.