I will try to find it again, but Scott Maclellans email address is also inthere. I am not sure where I saw it, and cant find it again, but I will keep looking.

You mean it was all about oil after all? I am so surprised.

This shit we are going through is no joke and it will only continue to get worse if we do nothing.

WE ARE ON THE PRECIPICE!!!

Edward Nuttflak

Poor adnoto wants so badly to be this generation's Thomas Paine.

Or poor adnoto is the fool who rushes ahead, like Bush or Augustus, and loses it all.

Shoooter likes to say that Americans (liberals) don't have the political will to blah blah blah...

Some of us do, and the brains to go along with it. This is how it is done. You do not do it any other way. OTOH, you keep sounding more and more like the FBI agent in the room, the agent provocateur. Why not come out and say it? The word is Dyn-o-mite! Ask Jimmy JJ Walker. Good Times!

AP calling the race for Childers.

By 8 points. 54-46.

Childers increased the initial electoral margin.

This district has a PVI of R+10. It voted for Bush 62-37 in the last election. Only seven Democrats sit in comparably red seats - and not a single Republican sits in a seat as blue as this one is red. And almost every major prognosticator (at least at the start) treated this as a safe seat.

http://www.eschatonblog.com/2008_05_11_archive.html#2055242558526476222

OTOH, you keep sounding more and more like the FBI agent in the room, the agent provocateur. Why not come out and say it? The word is Dyn-o-mite! Ask Jimmy JJ Walker. Good Times!

Karl Zinsmeister

American Enterprise Institute 1150 17th Street. NW, Suite 1100 Washington, D.C. 20036

General Karl Eikenberry

(just searching the documents for Karls)

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/rw/4913.html.

Some additional info, background for forwarding to yo' friends

look into/cover this story.

I don't remember them inviting any of these faux experts on for their part. I'm sorry but your work deserves wider interest here. (no offense to Salon).

I didn't search anything. I've been reading through these documents and posting repeatedly on what I've found. A reporter at a large newspaper emailed me yesterday about this particular entry.

Having said that, even if I had specifically searched for evidence of White House involvement in this program, what would be wrong with that? Far be it from me to question your motives,, but do you actually think we should refrain from trying to find out what our government does? Is it "partisan" to try to find out?

I don't find anything wrong or partisan with what you've done or posted in this thread. Quite the opposite in fact. After being duly impressed I was merely interested in where this inspired skepticism originated. I'm surprised and curious when I find others more mindfully skeptical than myself.

@Jim White

Thanks for the reply. I found this:

http://www.concordbridge.net/NSPD-51.htm

I don't think impeachment is considered a "National Essential Function". If NSDP-51 is actually in place, Congress may not have a whole lot of say so about anything.

Thanks. Infested the military, too, you notice. Wonder where Capt Roxie got her MBA ...

-And I, for one, don't find it any less horrifying to think the Pentagon was marketing their war to me than I do that they would be performing psyops on me and my fellow citizens.-

An insightful observation and one the meshes neatly with the fact that the corporates, not the generals, are what have infested this administration.

Honestly, adnoto, it isn't either nuance, or boomers, let alone one old geezer's opinions which stand between you and your bliss. What are your attacks on me, after all, if not a form of procrastination? Go and do what you think needs to be done, and stop worrying about who has balls and who doesn't. Haven't you always said that it's beneath a true paragon of committed manhood to mess with the small stuff?

Your point is fair, adnoto, but it's wrong nevertheless

My point is wrong is it? I am not sure how you even have the balls... well, actually, the fact is you obviously don't have any balls. You are ducking and everyone here knows it. All your BS rhetoric will never change the fact that I never said word one about, nor likened our situation to the official Soviet propaganda machine. Go back and read my initial post from that day. READ IT. You were the one to do the comparing and contrasting as if it made a damn bit of difference. You still are. It still doesn't matter and yet you continue to beat a meaningless comparison to death all in the hopes of hiding your impotence and what? Educating me? Educating the dirty masses? Well, I can't speak for the rest of the dirty masses but I don't need your education at the expense of sanity and action.

Either it is propaganda or it isn't. Even your hero Glenn Greenwald seems to have come around to the notion that "it" is propaganda. What the hell is your problem WT? Seriously? Is it just abject fear? There is a time, a place and an audience for lectures but you are in the wrong fucking time, in the wrong fucking place and lecturing the wrong fucking person. Who the hell do you think you are?

This isn't the 90's when it might have been ok to wallow in blissful catatonia under the rule of "the best republican since Lincoln." This shit we are going through is no joke and it will only continue to get worse if we do nothing. Obamania be damned. It can't be "talked away." It can't be made better solely through intellectual blathering. People like you do potentially more harm than the evil we face simply because you are content to sit on your ass and council others to do likewise. You and your ilk are immobilizers. Inhibitors to real, permanent, lasting change. Now you tell us there really doesn't actually need to be a reckoning, that no one really need be held accountable in any real way for the pervasive illegality we have seen. Exposure will be enough. Exposure and a remembrance will save us in the future. What utter horse-shit. That is nothing more than up front excuse making. An up front excuse to protect corporatist Obama and mainstream faux populists like yourself from ridicule when nothing changes. Well I am not buying it and, in the end, I am not going to live with it.