Letters to the Editor
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Don't forget Cambodia
The revisionists also blame the Khmer Rouge genocide on the hippies. The fact that our bombing of Cambodia and war next door destabilized the Cambodian government had nothing to do with the massacre. It was only because the DFHs caused the U.S. to lose its will that the "killing fields" happened.
So, yeah, what happened when we "cut and ran" from Viet Nam? Millions were killed. Who caused it? Lie-bruls.
Ergo, what will happen if we "cut and run" from Iraq? And whose fault will it be? It's so easy to fill in the dots, anyone can do it!
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Conventional wisdom
then it's impossible to express the message in a persuasive way using very few words...
Sorry, I can't resist:
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/jokes/read/241195
This guy walks into a bar for the first time, and he's sitting around drinking. Some of the old timers are telling jokes. One of them says "Seventeen" and the other old timers all roar with laughter. A little later, another of 'em says "Thirty-Two" and again, they all laugh and holler. Well, the new guy can't figure out what's going on, so he asks one of the locals next to him "What're these old-timers doin'?" The local says "Well, they've been hangin' around together so long they all know all the same jokes, so to save extra talkin' they've given 'em all numbers." The new fellow says "That's mighty clever! I think I'll try that." So he stands up and says in a loud voice "Nineteen!" Silence; everybody just looks at him, but nobody laughs. Embarrassed, he sits down again, and asks the local fellow "What happened? Why didn't anyone laugh?" The local says "Well, son, ya just didn't tell it right...",/i>
Think of "stabbed in the back" as John McCain standing up and saying "twelve"....
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McCain's Vietnam view
The Pentagon has spent over 30 years blaming everyone else for what happened in Vietnam. They have even concocted a "Vietnam syndrome" which is only a tactic to justify the pentagon's budget obscene increases. All responsibility has been deflected to and it is the media's fault for telling the truth about what was happened in Nam, the atrocities, the lies and so on. The pentagon is only capable of winning the battle, which is only a part of war. Ware includes a political element. The pentagon won the military battle of Vietnam and it isn't capable, nor should it be, of winning the war. Vietnam was concocted on the Pentagon's lie of the Gulf of Tonkin attack by North Vietnamese vessels on American battle ships, a false premise to begin with. In the last 30 years the Pentagon, since they have deflected responsibility and ill defined what the reality of Vietnam is, have spent all 30 years and $trillions,$1,000,000,000,000's to create their psych ops techniques and obscure the truth by making truth illegal while making lies, deceit, torture legal. It is now illegal to tell the truth and lies are without question legal.This is what McCain's mindset is, a military dictatorship fashioned within the confines of his military family's history and it's history of Admirals.
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What an Evil Bastard
Saying that 52,000 American lives in 8 years was 'not exhorbitant' just to stop some portion of jungle from going commie makes me want to puke.
Anyone who can support McCain after hearing him say that must be a sad sick soul.
You know, when you're living on a ship, as an officer, & doing your killing from 10,000 feet, you can become somehat cavalier about what the grunts on the ground go thru when executing their mission. YOu're still a piece of shit, though.
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@bamage
Sorry, I am a bit incoherent today. "Hell no, I won't go!" has real impact and attracts attention no matter which side you are on. Its emotional, rather than intellectual, content is what makes it work. With repetition and time, the phrase can connote a whole set of meanings, intellectual or not, for different groups people. This is how you package a message when you want to attract people who have something in common, but a lot of differences. Most of us in UT do not do this very well, or at least not anymore.
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52,000
I believe 52,000 American soldiers died during the entire Vietnam conflict. And if I recall correctly, nearly half of those deaths came AFTER the Pentagon had already determined there was no "way to win."
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It can't be condensed to a bumper sticker "MindWar"...
Maybe a Madame Nancy P. remark...
"the war was a grotesque mistake"....
No Harpy!
How about Mr. Harry R.? Blown Hair?
So vain. I bet Capital Hill club is sad?
Moral guilt!
Maybe the neocon should be observed?
Watch closely to avoid A GOP Suicide Pacts?
Watch and observe stuttering bizarreness.
Bad behavior!
Count how many times they say, "frankly".... STHU.
If said every other word, haul 'um to a mental ward.
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Victory Undefined
This is what is missing from the arguments advanced by the Viet Nam and Iraq Occupation hawks:
What IS victory?
If they were to be honest they would have to admit to a purely imperialistic answer.
The only victory that they would accept, then and now, is complete American control of the invaded country. And since neither country either attacked or threatened America in any way what could possibly justify such capitulation?
War proponents are loathe to discuss the impetus for either conflict. They start most of their arguments by saying it doesn't matter how we got involved in these wars.
But that is fatuous to the point of absurdity. Of course it matters! You cannot begin a war on false pretences and still claim any moral authority. You can only make matters worse by refusing to admit error. Intensifying firepower and body count only compound our crimes.
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@ Mike Sulzer
Hell yes, McSame will cause us much more distress.
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Vietnam/War Crimes
While I am not in support for the "swiftboating" of anyone for their military service, and I understand why Senator Obama and others honor Senator McCain for his service in Vietnam. BUT Let's not forget that the war in Vietnam was based on false information (Gulf of Tolkin) and that we were continuing the outrageous violence perpetrated against the Vietnamese by the French and others that had been taken place for centuries.
Americans committed war crimes in Vietnam. What took place there is nothing to be proud of.
Why we have to pretend that Senator McCain's service in Vietnam was an honorable thing is beyond me. I do believe his intentions as a young man were honorable (but manipulated). At least I hope so.