I think you can probably get the PowerPoint, which is as close as it's going to get to reality (many billions later)...

Sure they did. Who didn't?

But see http://youtube.com/watch?v=oHaB_mZipTk for the specific example.

Do you really think that Glenn Greenwald, the rest of the actual experts in this field and the regulars here who often take issue with the two of you are incapable of assessing legitimate threats to the national defense? Even if the Iranians had a nuke, the only place it would be going has many more nukes. As Martin van Creveld said in 2004, "Had the Iranians not tried to build nuclear weapons, they would be crazy.".

He also said some other interesting things recently:

In a September 2003 interview on Israel and the dangers it faces from Iran, the Palestinians and world opinion van Creveld stated:

We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force…. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.

In 2005, van Creveld made headlines when he said in an interview that the 2003 Invasion of Iraq was "the most foolish war since Emperor Augustus in 9 BC sent his legions into Germany and lost them", a reference to the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest, (which actually took place in AD 9). His analysis included harsh criticism of the Bush Administration, comparing the war to the Vietnam war. Moreover, he said that "Bush deserves to be impeached and, once he has been removed from office, put on trial."

In 2007, van Creveld commented that:

Iran is the real victor in Iraq, and the world must now learn to live with a nuclear Iran the way we learned to live with a nuclear Soviet Union and a nuclear China.... We Israelis have what it takes to deter an Iranian attack. We are in no danger at all of having an Iranian nuclear weapon dropped on us.... thanks to the Iranian threat, we are getting weapons from the U.S. and Germany.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_van_Creveld

Personally, I have less fear of the Iranian mullahs than I do of the extremists in Pakistan or the nutbars in Israel.

Let's say all that is true.

Where is your Glenn? Who should we read every day? Who's got a grip on the truth?

Hilariously, they believed CIA disinformation that the USSR owned a terror network.

Well ... that one was actually true. Cadres were trained at Patrice Lumumba University, funds were provided for leftist groups like Baader-Meinhof, the Red Brigades, ETA, the Tupemaros, etc; funding for 'military' operations to PFLP-GC, Abu Nidal and others. Also, technical advisors arranged by KGB to set up drug trade to maintain 'sustainable' funding.

There have been a lot of academic books about this that have floated out since Gorbachev opened the archives.

You mean like the 18,000 unguided rockets fired into Israeli towns? Is that what you meant? Or did you mean bus bombings and carbombs?

It's not that we drove them to collapse it was that their economy couldn't handle BOTH a civilian consumer sector AND a military sector.

It's a good thing no one else is making any mistakes like that. That would be really stupid!

Unfortunately virtually all of the 'facts' you folks point to are either made up or wrong and the people making them are blockheads who say "I will never listen to anyone who differs with me, instead I will just call them names, insult them and hope they go away. Aren't we brilliant"

And yes, as far as Glenn is concerned, if 90% of your columns bring these slime-people up to the surface to scream and rant, then it can't be an accident. What it is, is blog that's 95% op-Ed shaped in a way so that the reader thinks it's fact. But it's not, it's editorial and the really ironic thing, or cynical thing depending on your PoV is that Glenn constantly rails against everyone else doing exactly the same thing. Everyone else's opinions masquerading as fact are wrong.

Ain't it da Troof.

No, I'm listening. You're trying to say, a duck makes a good terror system?

But "it matters in the sense that the poor old long suffering taxpayers are getting taken to the cleaners again."

The missile defense system is probably the best-known of these bloated programs. But "these are not just missile defense mistakes," Pike notes. "They are systemic to any number of major defense and space programs of the past decade, all of which were awarded under conditions of intense competition, and all of which promised unrealistic costs saving due to using a single company as a systems integrator."

http://www.defensetech.org/archives/000851.html

But of course we all know that defensetech.org is fully on board with those vast RW conspiracy theories the NOB dismisses so we can ignore them and bow down to our 8x10 glossies of Ronald Reagan.

Israeli Cluster Munitions Hit Civilians in Lebanon

Israel Must Not Use Indiscriminate Weapons

(Beirut, July 24, 2006) – Israel has used artillery-fired cluster munitions in populated areas of Lebanon, Human Rights Watch said today.

“Cluster munitions are unacceptably inaccurate and unreliable weapons when used around civilians,” said Kenneth Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch. “They should never be used in populated areas.”

According to eyewitnesses and survivors of the attack interviewed by Human Rights Watch, Israel fired several artillery-fired cluster munitions at Blida around 3 p.m. on July 19. The witnesses described how the artillery shells dropped hundreds of cluster submunitions on the village. They clearly described the submunitions as smaller projectiles that emerged from their larger shells.

http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2006/07/24/isrlpa13798.htm

It's like you're members of a cult or something.

I do believe I heard The Knob cry "Uncle."

Your words not mine but you never listen to anyone anyway. No it's a technical point that w/o accuracy a missile becomes a terror weapon. Or in your words "Quack Quack Quack Quack Quack"

There, was that clear?