It's getting to be like a "debate" arranged by the College Republicans in here.

-- DCLaw1

Precisely why I don't respond to that idiot. I don't even like to mention his name. Look what just happened to Baldie!

I pass over entire swaths of comments from certain commenters, without even registering what they've said. I've gotten pretty good at it.

"Because you can't handle the potency and truth of what I'm saying!"

Yeah, I've always been at a loss as to why Iranian "meddling" in Iraq is any less legitimate than our "meddling" in Afghanistan was (or any of the hundreds of other examples of our meddling.)

And further, I'm at a loss as to how anyone could have imagined that invading Iraq could be anything but a gift to Iran - one they would quite reasonably take advantage of.

The stupidity and the hypocrisy is mind-boggling.

I don't understand why it's necessarily true that "the 2-state approach does not fully deliver on those points." Nor do I see why right of return is more likely to result in a just peace than in civil war.

The 2-state approach leaves the Palestinians in camps. Not decent surroundings. Not just.

Letting people live where they want, in peace---like in their ancestral homes, where they belong---is just, and therefore supports peace.

Compensating people for what was stolen from them is just.

Not sure what happened, my text just vanished when I hit publish ... I *think* I said:

DCLaw1 -- you should give a class on that. I myself am not very good at it. Without an ounce of snark in my heart, I can say that I still routinely assume that everyone enters the conversation in good faith, and has something worthwhile to say. :<

Maybe a widget that lets you look into the other posters' eyes would help?

I really don't have anything to add about Mr. Gordon's re-porting - Glenn's a neat-freak - other than my usual rant: Dang, they actually pay these people. I can do that (ie. repeat what someone tells me.).

As usual, I thought your suggestion, DCLaw1, was excellent. I can only add that, as I mentioned above, tapping that great well of 'energy and frustration' with the [news] Media is, imo, a vast, yet-untapped, gem of load-bearing, golden ore. Pure gold.

There's no telling what NYT pays Mr. Gordon to transcribe that dribble. They (nyt, etc.) could do a lot better - and I've got the data to prove it. And thusly, once it gets going, economies of scale would kick in and the world will be as one.

bah.

ps. I think Mika slapped morning joe this morning. Now were getting somewhere!

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catching up, totally o/t: it pays to go back and read threads when you

're sober.

~JNagarya asked "bah. where did mark twain say..." and 'what is it's relevance'?

Reply: I will make you a deal JNagarya, if you can show me where Reagan said "I did not have sex with those terrorists, who I sold weapons to..." etc., I will show you how it's (ie. artless jealously and guilt) all relevant. Or not, either way.

~Dear *COCKTAILHAG*. interesting. I should say so. (in fact, I think I'm in love with be bop o.) Nevertheless, I'm flexible;

* single (i'm so single e-harmony.com should pay me.)

* boy (actually, and I hope this is not a problem, I'm so old I was drinking mint julips when W.T. was still a gleam in Ben Franklins eye.)

* politics (no)

* my space (of course it is)

* your space (see above)

* education (In a manner of speaking)

On the down side, I'm trouble. Trouble with a capital T. It's like trouble just follows me around, cocktailhag. But, in my own defense, it's not so bad once you get used to it (me, that is) and I'm no longer afraid of heights. :)

come, call or write,

bah.

c/o penthouse,

rocky top usa.

Why are we even in the position of talking carrots and sticks with people who live on the other side of the world? Being a clearance rack for Death Merchants doesn't count.

Does China talk about Carrots and Sticks whenever the US has a problem with Mexico? Where are the Russians and the Chinese with all of their solutions, road maps, conferences, treaties, elections, etc. regarding "the Palestinian Issue"?

But then again, America intervening in the affairs of other countries is NEVER the problem, the only problem is agreeing on which country should be bombed, which county should be subsidized, or which country should be bombed and then subsidized. Nobody ever debates which countries should be left the hell alone. The answer is the US, of course, which should be free to meddle militarily in the affairs of other nations, fund whichever Johnny-come-lately terrorist group allies we feel will help further "our", "we", The American People's, agenda against "bad guys", conduct economic warfare wherever it desires, and overthrow whatever country we want in order to install a friendly dictator, but never expect any countries to practice similar behavior, because that would be considered immoral.

Compensating people for what was stolen from them is just.-- Baldie McEagle

Oh yeah? Then find the nearest native American and hand them your house keys.

The 2-state approach leaves the Palestinians in camps. Not decent surroundings. Not just.

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Compensating people for what was stolen from them is just.

Why in camps? Is development impossible in the West Bank? What about all those settlements the Israelis have built? Are they uninhabitable for some reason?

And would an independent Palestinian state be incapable of production and of trade with its neighbors to good profit? I don't get why a two-state solution necessarily implies continuing to live like exiles.

Furthermore, I've never said compensation is out of the question. What that would be (and questions like whether that doesn't also involve compensation for Jews driven from Arab lands) would obviously be a matter for negotiation.