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Saturday, May 3, 2008 12:00 AM

Fred Hiatt on the noble glories of occupation

The Washington Post editorialist says that mere airstrikes are bad because they result in civilian deaths, cause displacement and aid al-Qaida recruitment. Therefore, we should invade and occupy countries instead.

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Saturday, May 3, 2008 04:27 PM

@Glenn

Link in the update doesn't work for me.

ABC:

http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=4775808&page=1

Raw Story has CNN video from the Tuesday rocket attack.

http://rawstory.com/rawreplay/?p=935

"200 lbs. rocket" is a curious formulation. Does that mean 200 lbs. warhead or 200 lbs. gross weight? Hellfires are only 100 lbs or so total and any man portable system would be light.

I wonder if they fired one of these. 200 lbs. warhead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkNYkzm91mA

Saturday, May 3, 2008 04:30 PM

Dear Paul

If there's something I don't know about the nature of our Iraq mission, then I'm all ears.

Did you read my story about the husband of the lady next door coming home after his deployment to Iraq? House empty, wife gone, vehicles gone, all the money gone.(Including $23,000 he borrowed from his parent's retirement savings to pay "bills".

Is that what they call "supporting the troops"?

Saturday, May 3, 2008 04:33 PM

I'm so Famisht!

Terrorism waged in the US is a GOOD thing. Too bad no one's that good at it. If you want change, then start blowing up malls in Iowa.

Wait a minute! Isn't there something you are supposed to do when somebody writes stuff like that. Threatening terrorism and all. Terroristic threats. There's something either I or Salon is supposed to do, but I forget what it is. Oh well, maybe somebody knows. I sure hope so.

Saturday, May 3, 2008 04:37 PM

A Shondah!

If you want to blog and give gratifying strokes to Glenn Greenwald then do that.

There, Electro, you got me. I don't write in to stroke Glenn for his excellent, incisive and accurate columns as often as I should. I could probably begin each letter with my appreciation for his work, and even if I wrote in every time you wrote something stupid, it wouldn't be enough.

It's a shame I haven't mentioned it. I've been taking Glenn for granted. Your mind, Electro, I just take for granite.

Saturday, May 3, 2008 04:38 PM

Here's an old Yiddish proverb

If your mother calls you a mamzer, she ought to know.

Saturday, May 3, 2008 04:40 PM

Add Another Star to the Flag

Here's a thought; imagine Americans with guns who help to prevent violence in America everyday.

Iraq has become the 52nd State! Hurray! Gosh, they'll need a State Flag, and Flower, and all that stuff. Can I write the State Song?

Saturday, May 3, 2008 04:41 PM

War crimes; Obama; 'responsible' withdrawal

Glenn suggested that if the bombing of/at Al Sadr Hospital was a mistake or technical error, it might not be a war crime. Given that the US war and occupation are themselves war crimes, does it not follow that all killing of civilians and destruction of civilian infrastructure that take place within that war and occupation are necessarily also criminal and thus war crimes?

I am astonished that so many people believe that Obama is more than tactically different from Clinton. Both intend to maintain a level of US military presence in Iraq numbering thousands of troops, both threaten Iran, both support Israeli expansionism. People who think he represents anything other than ruling class interests are not paying attention.

We hear again the usual rightist canard about the lack of 'responsible' plans for withdrawal from Iraq. Those who argue for continued US occupation as the only way to avoid deepening civil war, genocide, failed-state anarchy, etc. raise these possibilities as though it's possible for the US to play any positive role in Iraq. The bare truth is that any continued US presence in Iraq is only, and can be only destructive. The sole remaining way for the US to be of any help to the Iraqi people is to withdraw completely and absolutely (i.e., all military, all US civilians attached to USG entities, all mercenaries/'contractors') and to do so in weeks, not months. The only future role for the US in regard to Iraq is payment of reparations, and to surrender the principals of this criminal aggression to an appropriate war crimes tribunal.

Saturday, May 3, 2008 04:42 PM

You Ought to Hear What Your Mother Calls Me,

Electro. Most of it is unitelligible moans, but she gets her point across. I can "roll my own", too, brudda. She rolls over on her own, of course.

Happy now, stupid?

Saturday, May 3, 2008 04:44 PM

Sorry

Sorry, all, I'm taunting the mentally ill. I should know better.

Saturday, May 3, 2008 04:48 PM

Derbig Mooser

Stay classy. What next? Dick jokes? I could only help your credibility - maybe Salon can give you a column "Moose Dick Jokes".

Saturday, May 3, 2008 04:52 PM

@Electro Robot

LWM

Well there you have it, it's all our fault. All the time, every time. This is why I personally cheer every time an American dies. 911 was a good thing and we can only pray for an atomic sterilization of the American land mass and all the little war criminals infecting the earth from there. Exterminate them all. I am 1 billion percent with you.

-- Electro Robot

I don't cheer as a rule but you have me confused with someone else. Assigning blame is really besides the point. Recognizing that some actions and interventions in the affairs of others lead to unintended and undesired consequences is more to the point. Learning from one's mistakes ensures survival. I'm not the person that you may think I am and most of the people arguing one side or the other here, including yourself, probably aren't even the persons they think they are, or pretend to be. Shooter, for instance, is just a partisan hack. If you want to stop outright genocide in some countries, some other mechanism aside from unilateral American intervention is going to be required. Some advocate for NATO to take a greater role because the UN is arguably ineffective and some of the reasons for that are whole other matter. In the case of civil wars, it may not always be desirable to take sides. Often when America does take sides it is for the wrong reasons (not to ensure democracy or self-determination) and we have paid the price for it. Iraq was a sovereign nation and although it wasn't paradise, you could walk the streets in peace and the trains, if they had them, would have run on time. You could get water from the tap and flush the toilets. I wonder how long you would last without your flush toilet.

It shouldn't have been attempted given the situation and circumstances at the time. There are other ways to effect regime change that do not involve a massive ground invasion and occupation.

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