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Sunday, April 27, 2008 12:00 AM

John McCain and Bush's torture powers

The alleged anti-torture maverick has done more to enable and legalize torture than any other political figure in the U.S.

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Sunday, April 27, 2008 03:12 PM

some americans are depraved monsters.

i do wish you'd stop voting for them, it makes the whole country look bad.

Sunday, April 27, 2008 03:15 PM

@pow wow

Jefferson sent American ships and troops to Tripoli without even asking Congress in The Tripolitan or First Barbary War.

Madison's "fear of standing armies" (he didn't fear standing armies) led to the British capturing the nation's capital and burning the White House.

Sunday, April 27, 2008 03:24 PM

o/t Atrios anticipates UT's resident yes-but-ers

Sunday, April 27, 2008
Capital Gains
This post follows from a discussion about a Media Matters item that hasn't been posted yet, but I think we should all be armed with the information so we can put a silver bullet into this zombie lie's head.
With talk of raising the capital gains tax in the air, you're going to hear a lot of conservatives and mainstream media folks blather on about how much this kind of thing is going to be so bad for the "middle class" or "even working folk" because everyone is invested in the stock market through 401K plans, etc. But the capital gains tax rate will never apply to that money. More than that, any capital gains from those plans will be, upon withdrawal, taxed at the income tax rate which for most people will be higher than the current 15% capital gains rate. So wealthier people who have direct investments in stocks and whatnot get to pay 15% on their capital gains, while the rest of us in lowly 401K land will likely be paying a higher rate.
-Atrios 18:07

Bookmark, EPU, repeat, re-post as needed.

http://www.eschatonblog.com/2008_04_27_archive.html#9075769741537277471

Sunday, April 27, 2008 03:26 PM

@pow wow, WOW!!

"The choice for Americans today - nowhere more urgently than for those elected to represent us in Congress - is between Empire and Republic. We cannot have both. We are violently playing at Empire now, while pretending to still be the Republic our Constitution designed. But the actions and the words of our Members of Congress, our president (and of all three candidates to succeed him) and our press are of, by and for Empire, and many Americans now think in terms of Empire, not in terms of self-government, democratic will and only necessary, Congressionally-authorized self-defense, as opposed to (inevitably, temporary) global domination."

All, and I do mean all, of your comments are filled with facts, sound logic and very informative. This may be the best of your outstanding collection. If only we could convince Barack, I don’t think Hillary could be credible, to put the choice for 2008 as one between Empire and Republic. It would tie all of the changes that Barack has made the core of his campaign into a tight and simple package to understand and want to follow. Other than the Empire fanatics, who could be against, power to the people, the desire to seek world peace through negotiation versus force and the absolute need to do everything possible to prevent stumbling into a nuclear holocaust.

You should be writing op-ed pieces for the M$M newspapers that print so many articles by serious “experts,” that are so misleading, lack facts and can only be called propaganda.

Sunday, April 27, 2008 03:30 PM

got to admire these folks (via Atrios)

Nev. GOP recesses state convention, angering Paul supporters
Nevada GOP recesses state convention amid strong support for Ron Paul

Staff
AP News
Apr 27, 2008 12:37 EST
Outmaneuvered by raucous Ron Paul supporters, Nevada Republican Party leaders abruptly shut down their state convention and now must resume the event to complete a list of 31 delegates to the GOP national convention. (continues)

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2008/04/nev_gop_recesses_state_convent.php

Sunday, April 27, 2008 03:47 PM

@bystander

Barack just made your point in his appearance on Fox News Sunday.

Sunday, April 27, 2008 03:52 PM

Retired Military Patriot

Hey, how's my favorite Chair Force Paper Pusher?

One problem with your analysis: Some people just can't be negotiated with. Yeah, they may talk you to death, but it's just to buy time.

Wake up and smell the real world.

Sunday, April 27, 2008 03:57 PM

McCain, Torture, & Deception

Glenn Greenwald, Thank you.

I often find I have a weakness for McCain. In early full Republican debates, only he and sometimes Huckaby spoke as humans to me.

I need constant reminders of McCain's frequent posturing and opportunism, and his frequent bowing to authority a la G W Bush.

Keep on exposing McCain from now until the general elections.

He is a slick one, a Protean Man.

Sunday, April 27, 2008 04:09 PM

@ HornetDriver re:smelling

How’s my kind of favorite fighter jock? Can I conclude from your logic, that the only way to deal with someone who is wasting your time is to use force? Doesn’t help the discussion when the other side can smell the fuel fumes of your flight suit as you supposedly say you want to negotiate. There were other choices that Junior and the Dick could have made instead of invading Iraq as a first choice. Aren’t you glad they followed your logic and we are still conducting an unnecessary, tragic war? Military force has to always be the absolute last resort. That doesn’t seem to be the case with our current emperors. I don’t like the smell or results of your real world.

Sunday, April 27, 2008 04:11 PM

Heh...

One problem with your analysis: Some people just can't be negotiated with. Yeah, they may talk you to death, but it's just to buy time.

Wake up and smell the real world.

-- HornetDriver

Assuming you really are a hornet driver, you sit in a chair, too. Yours is even better. It's an ejection seat and we all wish we could pull that lever for you. I don't think you understand the dynamics of the process. When you have the biggest stick and the best carrots, you can negotiate with any state and get pretty much what you want. Survival is the top priority. Right now there are no total lunatics or non-rational actors leading nation states, except for America. OBL is a stateless actor and he may not be rational but he is definitely clever.

Sunday, April 27, 2008 04:29 PM

Not from "The Onion"

AP story a couple of hours ago:

Republican presidential candidate John McCain on Sunday called Democratic rival Barack Obama insensitive to poor people and out of touch on economic issues.

Cue laughtrack. There really is nothing more that can be said in response.

Link: http://tinyurl.com/5lc6bp

Sunday, April 27, 2008 04:51 PM

@HornetDriver

I'm not the gullible one and those "meds" are made from pesticides.

Arizona is very pretty.

Those last Bin Laden videos look like could've been done by the Jib Jab folks. Next time they should hire ILM and have Bin Laden do some Yoda Jedi Kung Fu moves. Run one of those before the election and you will be voting for McCain!

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