it was the U.S. *after* we get involved in one of the interminable peace processes. the "we" in anbar got the arabs on our side - and 'we' did it by dealing with the clan chiefs or sheiks or whatever as the legitimate gov't. but really, i wasn't addressing you. i was addressing electro who is jewish and pro-jewish and omooex who is palestinian and pro-palestinian. such i can understand. jews like you who wish the race to disappear i cannot. (yes, i do read your posts, and i hope that along with your honda you found your shiksa and got married had little goyyim and are as happy as an ex-jew can possibly be)

PS those aid figures are several years out of date. Current aid is ~1.9 billion of which 900 is civilian aid in the form of no interest loans. … Aid to Israel is scheduled per an existing act of Congress to unwind to <$200 million a year in the next 4 years, roughly.

You’re right that the figures I added were out of date … but the updated figures are very different from what you’ve written here.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/U.S._Assistance_to_Israel1.html

This link shows military grants at 2.3 billion, 120 million in civilian grants … not including the 800 million line of no-interest credit I mentioned (which is probably also out of date). The civilian number is, as you say, a result of Netanyahu’s proposal in 1998 to reduce the economic assistance and replace it with military assistance. It's less than you thought, though the total (mil+civ) is much greater.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/IB85066.pdf+US+aid+to+Israel&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=23&gl=us

http://assets.opencrs.com/rpts/RL33222_20080102.pdf

These links include disc of US aid to Israel during Fiscal Year 2007 in the Congressional Research Service’s “U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel,” written by Jeremy M. Sharp, Specialist in Middle Eastern Affairs, updated January 2, 2008. According to this report, the US gave Israel at least $2,500.2 million in 2007. This number does not include the $137.894 million spent on joint U.S.-Israeli missile defense projects or the $1.4 billion in loan guarantees made available to Israel in 2007.

The FAS report also discusses the loan guarantees and other non-grant military and economic aid

Also, Contrary to ordinary U.S. policy, Israel has been and continues to be allowed to use 26% of this military aid to purchase equipment from Israeli manufacturers. According to CRS, “no other recipient of U.S. military assistance has been granted this benefit.” Thanks in part to this indirect U.S. subsidy, Israel’s arms industry has become one of the strongest in the world. “In 2006, it was the 9th leading supplier of arms worldwide.”

Also - Egypt receives 2.3 billion in direct military aid each year.

Nope. From the FAS report link below,

The United States is to reduce Economic Support Funds (ESF) to about $400 million per year by FY2008 in keeping with a plan to reduce economic aid to both Israel and Egypt. The Administration requested $415 million in economic grants and $1.3 billion in military grants for FY2008 for Egypt.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33003.pdf+US+aid+to+Egypt&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=21&gl=us

The US gave the PA $450 million dollars last year in military aid and training which is more than they gave to the entire nation of Jordan.

No idea where you got that number, and it makes no sense at all. From this link,

http://italy.usembassy.gov/pdf/other/RS22370.pdf

In 2007, the US provided $50 million for the U.S. Agency for International Development’s West Bank and Gaza program, as well as $77 million directly to the Palestinian Authority. The United States does not provide money to the PLO or Hamas. There are a number of restrictions on how US aid to Palestinians may be spent and it is strictly audited.

The US cost to maintain troops in South Korea is $8-9 billion per year. The US cost to maintain troops in Germany is about $17 billion per year. The US cost to keep Taiwan and China apart is classified but it involves one full carrier group 24/365.

Which has what to do with it?

In addition, the US government buys (purchases) ~$4 billion worth of high tech gear from Israel. Israel exports about $9 billion to the US commercially.

Ditto … Israel’s exports to the US relate to this ‘inflammatory’ discussion of aid how?

If you don't like that level of transfer of wealth, stop buying gasoline. It represents the single largest transfer of wealth, ever.

So, my options for examining foreign aid policy to Israel is a consumer boycott of a product Israel does not export? Are these things really comparable, to you?

I'm pretty sure that anything that involves the death of lots of arabs would tickle sugarman pink.

Hate is like air and water to these warmongers.

Normally I would never unilaterally issue a coveted Ewwww Award without consulting my fellow co-juror (Pedinska, where are you?) but in this case I'm opening the envelope.

And the winner is, Northwestwoods, for conjuring up the image of GWB's (very) little friend being eagerly serviced by the Canadian PM.

I'm cooking dinner, for crying out loud.

If the Palestinians were Jews, would that make nay difference to you?

Because they are. They are the ones who stayed after 70 A. D.

Sure they changed religions - no one has the same religion they had in the first century a.d.

FOr that matter, Islam, Christianity and Modern Judaism, are all derived from first century and earlier Judaism, or Abrahamism and Mosesism. They are all Jewish sects derived from that phony Moses (RaMOSES) story that we see Charleton Heston play. It is all Hokum, except for the burning BUSH which is just a CODE for CANNABIS. Land of CANA anyone?

And we believe this BS and people KILL each other over this BS and people dedicate their lives to this BS and that is all it is, BS.

So god tells Abraham to go and offer his son as a sacrifice and he is ready and willing to do it - NO WONDER THESE FARKING NUTZ LIKE TO SEND THEIR CHILDREN OFF TO WAR TO DIE!

Religion - the best way to con people into killing each other and themselves.

The Palestinians are your brothers and sisters. Gaza is the biggest concentration camp yet.

Three cheers for the GOD OF WRATH and HATE!

Elect WAR! OBAMA, CLINTON or McCAIN - it is GODS WILL!

Religion is the work of the devil. All of them.

-For friendly nations like Canada, the message will be more nuanced. Forget that socialized medical system of yours and turn the business over to fine US companies like Blue Cross and HealthSouth. Forget your tree hugging forestry preservation policies and turn your lumber over to International Paper. Start spending more, a lot more, on defense. Buy your weaponry from fine US companies like Grumman and Lockheed. Bar anyone whose name includes Abu or El from emigrating to your shores. Tell those Quebecois to stop speaking frog. Because if you don’t the OSS will stage an anschluss.-

Where have you been? Those programs have already been implemented or soon will be.

Except for the Quebecois thing...

You know that now-famous photo of McBomb hugging Junior? You can exchange his face with that of Prime Minister Stephen Harper, though Harper would more likely be on his knees with Dubya's Diminutive Dick in his mouth.

i think that, as far as gaza is concerned, we deal with the clans like we did in anbar, iraq.

Who is the "we" in this case, sugar? Are you suggesting Gaza should be dealt with by American troops, or were you thinking British? In any case, am I correct in assuming that whatever happened in Anbar, Iraq, you liked it?

A perfect fit when Sam Spade (Humphrey Bogart) said that to Wilmer (Elisha Cook, Jr.) in The Maltese Falcon and a perfect fit now for McNightmare.

Holly, one of the reasons Israel can never be questioned is because they can so often be called into service as the "id" of American militarism in the Middle East. Remember how helpful they were to the Reagan administration during Iran/Contra? For American righties, having a bloated, violent, and unscrupulous military ally here and there in the world is always useful, and if the government in question has a scary "enemy" it lives to nurture by tormenting, so much the better.

And unlike, say, Pinochet, Israel enjoys a substantial, well-funded propaganda arm here to enforce a code of silence amongst American politicians. Try to imagine any other country developing nuclear weapons, defying multiple UN resolutions, and generally treating a large segment of its population the same way South Africa did in its heyday being held up as a sacred cow, to nary a peep of criticism.

Without Israel, our current policies toward the Arab world would lose their vanishingly thin veneer of legitimacy, and we would lose perennially valuable regional provocateur.

We need them more than they need us.

would at least pretend to be journalist and do some damn research once in a while. He should get a job with WaPo with shoddiness like what these hacks crank out:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/12/AR2008041201969_pf.html

Problem is the person named in the article "Conal Urquhart, a U.N. humanitarian affairs officer based in Gaza" Is in REALITY a reporter for the Guardian (UK) and not a UN officer of anything. Wow, talk about laziness and spin.

OT, but it just came into my box ---

Busheviks still trying to legalize the 'Jack Bauer' scenario (also at sig):

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/27/washington/27intel.html

In front of the Israeli consulate in San Francisco on Thursday, July 12 "Al Yahud Kelabna"

Nice sentiment. Give them a gold star.

PS those aid figures are several years out of date. Current aid is ~1.9 billion of which 900 is civilian aid in the form of no interest loans. In addition, the US government buys (purchases) ~$4 billion worth of high tech gear from Israel. Israel exports about $9 billion to the US commercially. Aid to Israel is scheduled per an existing act of Congress to unwind to <$200 million a year in the next 4 years, roughly.

If you don't like that level of transfer of wealth, stop buying gasoline. It represents the single largest transfer of wealth, ever.

Also - Egypt receives 2.3 billion in direct military aid each year. The US cost to maintain troops in South Korea is $8-9 billion per year. The US cost to maintain troops in Germany is about $17 billion per year. The US cost to keep Taiwan and China apart is classified but it involves one full carrier group 24/365. The US gave the PA $450 million dollars last year in military aid and training which is more than they gave to the entire nation of Jordan. The countries in the region that do not house any US troops are Syria, Lebanon, Israel.