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Saturday, April 26, 2008 12:00 AM

John McCain's serious foreign policy

The moderate, serious candidate tells right-wing bloggers that he'll be Hamas' "worst nightmare."

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Saturday, April 26, 2008 06:27 PM

Ewwww Award

Normally I would never unilaterally issue a coveted Ewwww Award without consulting my fellow co-juror (Pedinska, where are you?) but in this case I'm opening the envelope.

And the winner is, Northwestwoods, for conjuring up the image of GWB's (very) little friend being eagerly serviced by the Canadian PM.

I'm cooking dinner, for crying out loud.

Saturday, April 26, 2008 06:31 PM

@Derbig Mooser

I'm pretty sure that anything that involves the death of lots of arabs would tickle sugarman pink.

Hate is like air and water to these warmongers.

Saturday, April 26, 2008 06:37 PM

@Electro

PS those aid figures are several years out of date. Current aid is ~1.9 billion of which 900 is civilian aid in the form of no interest loans. … Aid to Israel is scheduled per an existing act of Congress to unwind to <$200 million a year in the next 4 years, roughly.

You’re right that the figures I added were out of date … but the updated figures are very different from what you’ve written here.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/U.S._Assistance_to_Israel1.html

This link shows military grants at 2.3 billion, 120 million in civilian grants … not including the 800 million line of no-interest credit I mentioned (which is probably also out of date). The civilian number is, as you say, a result of Netanyahu’s proposal in 1998 to reduce the economic assistance and replace it with military assistance. It's less than you thought, though the total (mil+civ) is much greater.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/IB85066.pdf+US+aid+to+Israel&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=23&gl=us

http://assets.opencrs.com/rpts/RL33222_20080102.pdf

These links include disc of US aid to Israel during Fiscal Year 2007 in the Congressional Research Service’s “U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel,” written by Jeremy M. Sharp, Specialist in Middle Eastern Affairs, updated January 2, 2008. According to this report, the US gave Israel at least $2,500.2 million in 2007. This number does not include the $137.894 million spent on joint U.S.-Israeli missile defense projects or the $1.4 billion in loan guarantees made available to Israel in 2007.

The FAS report also discusses the loan guarantees and other non-grant military and economic aid

Also, Contrary to ordinary U.S. policy, Israel has been and continues to be allowed to use 26% of this military aid to purchase equipment from Israeli manufacturers. According to CRS, “no other recipient of U.S. military assistance has been granted this benefit.” Thanks in part to this indirect U.S. subsidy, Israel’s arms industry has become one of the strongest in the world. “In 2006, it was the 9th leading supplier of arms worldwide.”

Also - Egypt receives 2.3 billion in direct military aid each year.

Nope. From the FAS report link below,

The United States is to reduce Economic Support Funds (ESF) to about $400 million per year by FY2008 in keeping with a plan to reduce economic aid to both Israel and Egypt. The Administration requested $415 million in economic grants and $1.3 billion in military grants for FY2008 for Egypt.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33003.pdf+US+aid+to+Egypt&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=21&gl=us

The US gave the PA $450 million dollars last year in military aid and training which is more than they gave to the entire nation of Jordan.

No idea where you got that number, and it makes no sense at all. From this link,

http://italy.usembassy.gov/pdf/other/RS22370.pdf

In 2007, the US provided $50 million for the U.S. Agency for International Development’s West Bank and Gaza program, as well as $77 million directly to the Palestinian Authority. The United States does not provide money to the PLO or Hamas. There are a number of restrictions on how US aid to Palestinians may be spent and it is strictly audited.

The US cost to maintain troops in South Korea is $8-9 billion per year. The US cost to maintain troops in Germany is about $17 billion per year. The US cost to keep Taiwan and China apart is classified but it involves one full carrier group 24/365.

Which has what to do with it?

In addition, the US government buys (purchases) ~$4 billion worth of high tech gear from Israel. Israel exports about $9 billion to the US commercially.

Ditto … Israel’s exports to the US relate to this ‘inflammatory’ discussion of aid how?

If you don't like that level of transfer of wealth, stop buying gasoline. It represents the single largest transfer of wealth, ever.

So, my options for examining foreign aid policy to Israel is a consumer boycott of a product Israel does not export? Are these things really comparable, to you?

Saturday, April 26, 2008 06:37 PM

you're right, Derbig, the "we" was really undefined

it was the U.S. *after* we get involved in one of the interminable peace processes. the "we" in anbar got the arabs on our side - and 'we' did it by dealing with the clan chiefs or sheiks or whatever as the legitimate gov't. but really, i wasn't addressing you. i was addressing electro who is jewish and pro-jewish and omooex who is palestinian and pro-palestinian. such i can understand. jews like you who wish the race to disappear i cannot. (yes, i do read your posts, and i hope that along with your honda you found your shiksa and got married had little goyyim and are as happy as an ex-jew can possibly be)

Saturday, April 26, 2008 06:43 PM

Shuman the Human.

If the Palestinians were Jews, would that make nay difference to you?

Well, okay, as far as that goes, all men are brothers, or at the least fifth cousins, I believe.

At this point, a more realistic question would be whether Zionists even consider the Palestinians to be human. Many, many statements they make beg that question.

Hey Celery and other ancients, does anyone remember that R.Crumb comic effort "Shuman (Schuman?) the Human"? No fair using the net!

Saturday, April 26, 2008 06:49 PM

Unless something truly remarkable happens between now and November

Little Princess Scarlett McCain is going to be your next president. And he is quite wee, you know. Which may account for some of his huffery and puffery and threat displays. If he weren't so little maybe he wouldn't feel so much need to show off... just sayin'

McCain's base is never going to allow a gurrrrl or one of those Neeeegros to ascend to the purple, never, never, never. After all these years reveling in the hooey and the crap and incompetence and the bluster that characterizes the modern presidency, they're not going to allow someone who actually might know what they're doing to be elected (talk about "ew!", the Media can't stand actual "elections," eeeewwwww!!!!) to the office. No way and no how.

Not that the presidency actually matters any more, now that Cheney has demonstrated that all the important levers can be pulled from the vice presidential bunkers and nobody's the wiser, heh heh heh heh heh. Secret! Ha ha! Fooled you all! Suck-ers!

And C-hag. I'm convinced Bushie doesn't have an... implement... with which to... entertain... the Canadian PM. No, I'm pretty sure Bar cut it off in one of her drunken rages when he was little.

Which might explain a lot about him, too.

Grrr.

Saturday, April 26, 2008 06:49 PM

On so many levels....

Derbig, who knew that you were secretly wishing for any race to disappear? Et tu, moose-ay? And aren't all peace processes inherently, and drearily, interminable when the militarily superior aggressor continues to take land, displace people, and conduct "collective punishment?"

Gosh, the things you can learn from racist freaks with a persecution complex.

Color me enlightened.

Saturday, April 26, 2008 06:49 PM

rupert_c, you really weren't asking, were you?

anyway,most here don't have "a people". they have policies and politics and attitudes but "people"? anything but the human race is considered racism. but some do. some black people do. some arabs (like omooex) do and some jews do. some whites do - and that causes some problems that go along with that division. some divide "mankind" into its component genders and we see that, and the last, on the big screen in the current election. anyhow, aVulcan is also arab and pro-arab, but she is also anti-jew. omooex is pro-arab but has the intelligence to realize he cannot just wish the jews to disappear so he attempts reconciliation. Carter does too - but with such stupidity and sanctimoniousness he can never succeed (what about camp david, you say? begin and sadat already agreed upon terms, they just got carter in it so we could PAY FOR IT! (which we are still discussing))

Saturday, April 26, 2008 06:52 PM

@ Listen Sugar

(yes, i do read your posts, and i hope that along with your honda you found your shiksa and got married had little goyyim and are as happy as an ex-jew can possibly be

Asshole, you trying to tell me Jews don't ride motorcycles?

Well, lemme tell you something, pal, when The Litvaks get ahold of you, well, let's just say they'll know what to do!

Well, I must admit I myself had doubts when they told me I had to put a red-hot rock in my gas tank, but who'm I to argue with tradition.

Oh, and how's your home life, now that you've described mine.

Saturday, April 26, 2008 07:05 PM

My McCain Nightmare

I had a bad dream.

My old catchers' mitt grew eyes,

and called me "my friend".

Saturday, April 26, 2008 07:06 PM

Watch 'Jimmy Carter: Man From Plains'

If only more Americans could read such eminently sensible comments and give them fair consideration. I have always thought that there are really just two reasons why Americans tacitly support Israel:

1) They have no idea that Israel unjustly continues to steal land from the Palestinians, bull-dozing homes and building walls deep into Palestinian lands.

2) They are Islamophobes who assume that Palestinians, because they are Muslims, are on the wrong side of the issue.

If only the American people knew the facts of the situation they would not allow their government to give such unquestioned, biased, and ill-considered support for Israel.

The media is complicit as well.

Saturday, April 26, 2008 07:11 PM

You say Potato...

Che, I always thought that the fetching lump in the flight suit over which Tweety so embarrassingly swooned was augmented by, say, a potato, but it never occurred to me that our Dear Leader's whatchamacallit was actually missing, but your hypothesis would explain a lot. No wonder he never had an intern problem.

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