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Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:00 AM

Interview with Aaron Brown on NYT "military analyst" story

The former CNN news anchor speaks about his program's use of retired generals as war commentators and about his war coverage generally.

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Wednesday, April 23, 2008 05:48 PM

Are the right's blog really failures, DCLaw1?

Or, I suppose you could consider those piles of right-wing blogs that trumpet a great new cause and following, then promptly fall flat on their faces.

I mean how can you measure 'failure' of ventures that, quite frankly, were batshit insane or completely untethered from reality in the first place?

"Market share" doesn't really work given their "market" are such a small sliver of the human race.

"Profitability" doesn't work either as they're usually subsidized by deep-pocket interests who don't give a toss and aren't actually looking for a return on the investment.

"Message penetration" might work, if one could actually make out the damned message to begin with.

"Social relevance"...forget this one.

Wednesday, April 23, 2008 05:50 PM

Sub-priming the Big Lie!

Amazing! Does not anyone have a vision of the bigger picture for the USA and for this Earth? Chopping up the Big Lie and repackaging it to journalist's, analyst's, Wall Street, and to the American people is coming back to bite, and bite hard. Restore the Truth to America, so we can go on down the road-onward and upward, but not backwards. Has a Lie ever built anything? A family? A community? A state?

Wednesday, April 23, 2008 05:51 PM

@ DCLaw1

Yes, and perhaps the left could learn from the illustrious right-wing example of the Washington Times,

Then perhaps Omoex is fretting over nothing?
As for the blogs, people seem to forget that some 50% of new enterprises fail after the first year, 90% after five years. The marketplace is a bipartisan killer of capital. Yet the left seems to continue falling behind, held back by the ball and chain of denigrating the very people it wants as an audience.

Wednesday, April 23, 2008 05:53 PM

Video - - how the "military analyst" program worked

http://youtube.com?v=yQP7ASBdwdo

Wednesday, April 23, 2008 05:56 PM

LWM

Exactly - these days, it seems the only "mainstream" media outlets to keep a pundit or columnist on despite public hostility are the right-wing ones.

No small wonder their ideas tend to be more commonly accepted by fellow outlets.

Wednesday, April 23, 2008 05:57 PM

Thanks for the Aaron Brown Interview!

Glenn,

Many thanks for the Aaron Brown Interview!

Aaron was (and perhaps in the future, will be again) one of the more thoughtful and principled Anchors/Journalists. Note that I didn't say perfect.

None of us are perfect, and one of the takeaways I got from your interview is that we all, Aaron Brown included, from time to time could use a "mulligan".

I hope you and he have more conversations in the future.

Wednesday, April 23, 2008 05:58 PM

@Che

I agree with you but the point is, at least to my mind, that we have more right to regulate the public airwaves, be it radio or TV, than we do the press. As long as they get no benefit from the public commons, (like they used to have subsidized postal rates and were not subjected to sales taxes until conservatives killed that to stifle the smaller independent alternative press) we have little recourse in forcing them to do anything that conforms to our moral or ethical values. They are protected by the first amendment.

Wednesday, April 23, 2008 06:02 PM

@DCLaw

Can you imagine?

Keeping an antiwar voice that cost you money? But he was a right wing antiwar voice!

And Che,

I know you've probably seen this but...

They are now protected by case law as well...

http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/11-the-media-can-legally-lie

Wednesday, April 23, 2008 06:04 PM

The shooter conundrum

shooter: Yet the left seems to continue falling behind, held back by the ball and chain of denigrating the very people it wants as an audience.

So are you saying that the left is like you or are you saying that you are like the left? Inquiring minds want to know.

Wednesday, April 23, 2008 06:05 PM

LWM

Keeping an antiwar voice that cost you money? But he was a right wing antiwar voice!

The American political/ideological landscape has changed so much since then. Right-wingers used to stand for "isolationism," or at least non-intervention. They could not have done a more dramatic about-face.

Wednesday, April 23, 2008 06:08 PM

Got nothin' more to say...

... than thanks QuickStrategy and ttb-01 for your insightful contributions in areas where you have expertise, or access to same.

Wednesday, April 23, 2008 06:13 PM

totallyblase

But if I had to choose amongst disco, American Idol, or hip-hop, I'd be more than willing to dig out Saturday Night disco suit

I don't personally like hip hop but the argument can be made that it is lyrically complex, usually carries a message (even though it might be one I disagree with) and very akin to poetry..

American Idol isn't really a genre..

Disco on the other hand still sucks..

Wednesday, April 23, 2008 06:19 PM

Shooter is apparently unaware

Of "niche marketing"..

Which can be defined as finding a small subset of consumers that are not being sufficiently served by current products and tailoring a product to that particular subset.

Niche marketing is just about the only viable means for a startup company to become successful these days without massive infusions of capital needed for research, development and mass marketing.

UT will never become mass market since it lacks mass appeal.. That is a long way from saying that it is unsuccessful.

Since the MSM is uniformly chasing the lowest common denominator then it is up to niche marketers to serve the needs of those for whom the LCD is either insufficient or distasteful.

Wednesday, April 23, 2008 06:32 PM

Re: legal lying

The media has always had this "right" if you will. And they have made extensive use of it. It is impossible to tether them to the Truth in any case, but they sure have no problem jointly fabricating "Truthiness" for the instruction of the plebes and proles.

The Weekly World News was one of my favorite publications when it was still on the supermarket check-out stands instead of on display in media museums under carefully controlled lighting and atmospheric conditions. Every single word and image was a fabrication, sometimes brilliantly so, and everybody knew it, at least you hoped they did (oh my), and it was a goldmine of surprise and hilarity. It wasn't stopped from publishing by regulation. It wasn't making money. Or rather, enough money. So. Bye bye.

On the other hand, the kind of propaganda that gets inserted into our actual news, that takes the place of real news too often, is pernicious. Lies on top of lies, deliberately manufactured and placed in print and on teevee and on the internets to manipulate the public, to "manufacture consent," to drive some agenda unseen and unknown by ordinary folks is deeply destructive -- not just of a healthy democracy, but of the very institutions that are responsible for it.

What's more, if the polls are to be believed, most of this propaganda doesn't work for more than a short time. Surely the overwhelming lack of support for the neocon wet dream of glory should be a sign to The Powers That Be that their program of deception is faltering badly. Ordinary people may not know what the Truth is, but they know full well they've been lied to over and over and over again.

Won't get fooled again, eh?

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