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Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:00 AM

Interview with Aaron Brown on NYT "military analyst" story

The former CNN news anchor speaks about his program's use of retired generals as war commentators and about his war coverage generally.

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Wednesday, April 23, 2008 05:01 PM

re: (The Doors could see the future)

Actually the last line that you quoted should read "Sweet family will die"..

Which makes it even more prophetic.

"I'm gonna get my kicks before the whole shithouse goes up in flames" - More prophesy from Jim Morrison

-- Aycharaych

There may have been more than one version, since I recall that line (no, really: I remember some of the 60s); but Rhythmbox looked the lyrics up for me on the net and displayed them as I listened and I cut and pasted from the official source from the greatest hits cd. (Linux makes everything easy these days)

Some have claim Jim Morrison was a gnostic; but all I know is that I liked his work a lot.

I have been listening to some of the anti-war songs of the Vietnam era and wondering if the young artists today don't care; or if their audience don't care. Oh well, I must get back to work on my projects.

Wednesday, April 23, 2008 05:03 PM

Don't throw away those Saturday Night Fever disco suits.

Disco *still* sucks..

Wednesday, April 23, 2008 05:05 PM

wishyouwell

Ironic,

that this interview is hosted by a website that continuously peddles Clinton propaganda...

Yeah, that's really super ironic. The only media outlets where any point can ever be made is one where every single writer, editor and staff member is a full-fledged devotee of Barack Obama. Any place where that's not true is, by definition, oozing propaganda and lies and thus can't possibly have anything worth reading -- at least not without there being great "irony."

Wednesday, April 23, 2008 05:06 PM

bucky1

Yeah, and Hendrix sang " 'scuse me while I kiss this guy"..

Wednesday, April 23, 2008 05:13 PM

Perhaps I'm being overly pessimistic, but I can't see how the left could ever wrest control of the media from the right.

Perhaps I'm being overly pessimistic, but I can't see how the left could ever wrest control of the media from the right.

Here's a thought, rather being nags, the left could be positive about something for a change. Considering that the MSM donates to Dems over Pubs by a margin of 9:1 it seems hardly credible that the media isn't helping.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19113485

One of the things about the free market that the left doesn't seem to understand, is that to sell a product, the product has to appeal to people, not alienate them. It's the reason why this blog will always be B-list. unrelenting negativity is not appreciated by the mainstream audience. People are funny that way.

Wednesday, April 23, 2008 05:21 PM

shooter

One of the things about the free market that the left doesn't seem to understand, is that to sell a product, the product has to appeal to people, not alienate them.

Yes, and perhaps the left could learn from the illustrious right-wing example of the Washington Times, which does so poorly on its own in the free market that it has to be heavily subsidized by its wealthy ownership.

Or, I suppose you could consider those piles of right-wing blogs that trumpet a great new cause and following, then promptly fall flat on their faces.

Wednesday, April 23, 2008 05:22 PM

Bernays Sauce

In his 1965 autobiography, Bernays recalls a dinner at his home in 1933 where
Karl von Weigand, foreign correspondent of the Hearst newspapers, an old hand at interpreting Europe and just returned from Germany, was telling us about Goebbels and his propaganda plans to consolidate Nazi power. Goebbels had shown Weigand his propaganda library, the best Weigand had ever seen. Goebbels, said Weigand, was using my book Crystallizing Public Opinion as a basis for his destructive campaign against the Jews of Germany. This shocked me. ... Obviously the attack on the Jews of Germany was no emotional outburst of the Nazis, but a deliberate, planned campaign.

It is impossible to fundamentally grasp the social, political, economic and cultural developments of the past 100 years without some understanding of Bernays and his professional heirs in the public relations industry. As a result his legacy remains a highly contested one, as evidenced by the 2002 BBC documentary The Century of the Self, where he is described as "undemocratic". PR is a 20th-century phenomenon, and Bernays -- widely eulogized as the "father of public relations" at the time of his death in 1995 -- played a major role in defining the industry's philosophy and methods...

In addition to his uncle Freud, Bernays also used the theories of Ivan Pavlov.

“The engineering of consent is the very essence of the democratic process, the freedom to persuade and suggest.

– (Edward L. Bernays, "The Engineering of Consent," 1947)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays

Breadbaker... In World War I, the medical community essentially told the miltary that their practice of moving soldier who had been exposed to Spanish Influenza around the country was going to result in millions of deaths.

World War I censorship and the jingoistic press at the time pretty much stifled any discussion of this, and the result was that millions of people, including millions of Americans, died unnecessarily.

I've never heard that before. Do you have any source for it or are you just exercising your freedom to "persuade and suggest".

However, a first wave of influenza appeared early in the spring of 1918 in Kansas and in military camps throughout the US. Few noticed the epidemic in the midst of the war. Wilson had just given his 14 point address. There was virtually no response or acknowledgment to the epidemics in March and April in the military camps. It was unfortunate that no steps were taken to prepare for the usual recrudescence of the virulent influenza strain in the winter. The lack of action was later criticized when the epidemic could not be ignored in the winter of 1918 (BMJ, 1918). These first epidemics at training camps were a sign of what was coming in greater magnitude in the fall and winter of 1918 to the entire world.

http://virus.stanford.edu/uda/

The war was over by the time the world realized it was a pandemic so censorship and jingoism seem unlikely culprits. Perhaps it just reflects the level of development of public health science at the time.

The responses of the Public Health Departments in Europe and in the United States represented the ideas prevalent in society and in the scientific community. While most of the measures were solidly grounded in the current scientific concepts, they could also be traced back to Medieval and even Classical times of plague and pestilence. The idea of contagion prompting quarantines and isolation dates back to the Justinian Plague. However, epidemiological work by Snow and others in the 19th century did further these notions of contagion and understanding of transmission. Public Health Departments grew out of these advances and the belief in the ability of man to control nature. Sanitation, vaccination programs and other public hygiene efforts in the late 19th century enabled public health officials to gain power and authority. However, the Influenza Pandemic of 1918-19 challenged the public health agencies. The massive morbidities from the common illness of influenza were mysterious and frightening. Many of the measures formerly known to work were ineffective. They were not prepared for an event of this magnitude, lacking the organization and infrastructure and constrained by the war. Yet, the great war provided the rhetoric of nationalism necessary to usher in these authoritative responses and losses of liberty.

http://virus.stanford.edu/uda/fluresponse.html

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