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Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:00 AM

Interview with Aaron Brown on NYT "military analyst" story

The former CNN news anchor speaks about his program's use of retired generals as war commentators and about his war coverage generally.

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Wednesday, April 23, 2008 03:26 PM

@omooex

This always seems to be the solution, at least from the media's perspective. However, as in past periods of reflection (WMD, Katrina, the Clinton Polling,) it never goes on for very long and obviously, has little lasting impact---since the media are constantly repeating the same "errors" in judgement. The structure is rotten to the roots, I'm not sure there is any reforming it...

I don't disagree with your points. But, I don't think there has been enough of it for long enough to see if there's going to be a lasting impact. Someone pointed out to me that it took 30 years for the right to build their media machine. And I tell you, they didn't get it done in the long term by doing nothing but bashing the media, but by understanding exactly how they work and not only infiltrating them, but by recruiting them as allies. That began to be extremely effective in the Reagan Administration. And now we have the situation the mainstream media, as corporate entities, are partners with the right.

Where we are now, in my view, is trying to understand exactly how the mainstream media works. And you do that by interviews like this: listening to their perspective on what they do. Don't get me wrong, I'm not exactly buying into what Brown said, but I think it is fascinating to hear his thoughts. That's something I can use.

Sure, I'd love to see the whole corrupt infrastructure torn out by its roots, but it's kind of unrealistic in the short term. I just don't think we have any choice but to try to reform it, at this point. And I know there are some in the media willing to engage in this dialogue. Why not do it?

Wednesday, April 23, 2008 03:31 PM

@Che

Of course We, the People, through our representatives in congress assembled...

We, the people, elected this guy, and he's a Democrat even if not a liberal, whatever that may be today:

At the end of Thursday’s debate, Democratic House Appropriations Committee Chairman David Obey (Wis.) agreed with Republicans that the government should not regulate conservative radio hosts such as Limbaugh and Hannity.

“We ought to let right-wing talk radio go on as they do now,” he said. “Rush and Sean are just about as important in the scheme of things as Paris Hilton, and I would hate to see them gain an ounce of credibility by being forced by a government agency or anybody else to moderate their views enough that they might become modestly influential or respected.”

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/fairness-doctrine-hammered-309-115-2007-06-28.html

The Market Über Alles.

Do you think we are in a position to enact and enforce some type of regulations, even just for balance, on any other form of media?

Wednesday, April 23, 2008 03:35 PM

The Propaganda Storm

Here we have the perfect confluence of corporate owned media cutting the budgets of news organizations, disabling the fielding of real reporters and the ready availability of government propagandists filling the void. When news becomes a lubricant to grease the selling of advertising, truth becomes relative to ratings and a Fox Noise & imitators rule the roost.

Try reading some of the real reporters writing real stories from real places like Juarez or Baghdad working for McClatchy. No, they aren't perfect, but reading them delivers the same kind of shock of recognition Jimmy Carter delivered to the Middle East when he actually talked to Syria and Hammas and Israel. Remember what diplomats are supposed to do? Remember what reporters are supposed to do?

Wednesday, April 23, 2008 03:38 PM

Well, If There Isn't A Law, There SHOULD BE!!!!

Glenn says:

"Retired Air Force Col. Sam Gardiner, for instance, opined that "when you put together the campaign that [Pentagon Communications official] Torie Clarke did with these three elements, you're very close to a violation of the law" which prohibits the use of military propaganda."

If what I read about in The New York Times this past Sunday isn't a clear use of military propaganda then I don't know what is. In my opinion there has obviously already been a violation of the law!

Consider this quote in The New York Times Sunday...the Quotation of the Day no less: "It was them saying, 'We need to stick our hands up your back and move your mouth for you.'" - Robert S. Bevelacqua, a retired Green Beret and former Fox News military analyst, on a Pentagon effort to influence news coverage.

Give me a freakin' break.

Wednesday, April 23, 2008 03:52 PM

ttb

"Someone pointed out to me that it took 30 years for the right to build their media machine. And I tell you, they didn't get it done in the long term by doing nothing but bashing the media, but by understanding exactly how they work and not only infiltrating them, but by recruiting them as allies. That began to be extremely effective in the Reagan Administration. And now we have the situation the mainstream media, as corporate entities, are partners with the right."

The problem with this analysis is that the right represent the interests of corporations and the affluent. It seems logical that the media would be inclined to have good relationships with Republicans, and that such a relationship would naturally blossom, as news organizations and media companies were consumed by large corporations who would have an increasing amount of business before Washington. But what can progressive, liberal or social justice oriented political groups offer the media? The warm, fuzzy feeling garnered from doing what's right? Perhaps I'm being overly pessimistic, but I can't see how the left could ever wrest control of the media from the right.

Wednesday, April 23, 2008 03:56 PM

quickstrategy

In the snippet where Aycharaych says he's lying, I think he's just giving his opinion, though we are supposed to accept his assumptions at face value because he is an 'independent expert'.

So you think the general is both stupid and uninformed?

It's either that or he was lying.

I'm actually giving him the benefit of the doubt because I don't think he is either stupid or uninformed.

Wednesday, April 23, 2008 03:57 PM

A Band of Liars...

With so many comments already what's left to be said except for the Congress should immediately hold hearings in regard to this "psy-ops" propaganda and if any laws were violated..

Also there is no doubt that the media especially TV Cable what have you are spiking this huge story killing it ignoring it even Olbermann barely dared mentioned it, a tiny blurb while he wasted 10 minutes on a stupid Rocky/Obama Hillary video..so Edward R. Murrow he ain't..

I would suggest a good title for this issue for the future:

A Band of Liars....

I have the link to the article posted on my Stumble Upon site with other related articles so click on my name to go to them..

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