Letters to the Editor
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Total fantasy..
But I believe that to go ahead and remove that regime, to then temporarily occupy Iraq, to change it from a fascist regime to some type of democratic governance will then give us a geopolitical advantage in that region to change the status quo, which will affect Iran, it will affect the relationship between Israel and the Palestinians, it will affect the Hezbollah terrorist organizations.
General Grange was lying through his teeth, there is no doubt about it.
There is simply no way Iraq was going to become a democracy and general Grange knew this.
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Maybe a Transcript?
For me personally, it would be nice to have a transcript as the sound on my PC has been permanently disabled.
Sounds like a very interesting interview, Glen. I'm glad Mr. Brown sat down with you. Shows he's not a chickenshit like some of the others.
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Or - More Frightening....
General Grange was lying through his teeth, there is no doubt about it.
There is simply no way Iraq was going to become a democracy and general Grange knew this.
He actually believed every word he said.
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The uniform does not make the man...
Americans want to believe the honesty and integrity of anyone in a military uniform, especially a high ranking officer, is beyond reproach. But this is not the lesson of history and it surely is not the lesson to be garnered from the excellent NYT expose. In fact, just the opposite is evident, as these "military analysts" freely and eagerly traded on this inherent faith from the American people for personal profit. To put it bluntly, these ex-military men are nothing more than grifters.
I believe, given this overwhelming evidence that there is no more reason to believe what a general says than what his commander and chief says, that all those DC legislators who voted to condemn MoveOn.org for calling into question the integrity of General Petraeus owe that organization a huge apology.
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@ Paul in KY
Maybe a Transcript?
It's right here (also linked at my sig).
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/4/22/pentagons_pundits_a_look_at_the
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"Anti-War"
One can only admire the manner in which you dedicate yourself to the pursuit of these key issues, Glenn, rather than simply raise, provoke and move on.
I do question the usefulness of the term "anti-war" in this context, inasmuch as it was not anti-war pundits or Generals, per se, that were absent from the media, but those who were advocating specifically against the US plans to invade Iraq. I just wonder if "anti-war" is too broad a term, carrying with it baggage that doesn't necessarily apply in the case of the Iraq war, where there were many good reasons to advocate against invasion that were independent of any over-arching anti-war viewpoint. Not to put too fine a point on it, but one could be pro-war, but against the Iraq invasion, in much the same way that, Admiral Fallon (for example), is clearly not "anti-war" even though he apparently views an attack on Iran as folly (at least at the time his last remarks in this regard were made).
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Its getting to the point where you don't trust anybody on anything.
To anticipate the only rebuttal argument our resident contrarians can try (without degenerating into strained irony, that is): the news networks are/were correct to retain retired general and staff officers from the DoD for commentary on the invasion and occupation of Iraq as they were the "professionals" at such things.
EXCEPT, as Glenn goes to pains to note, these 'professionals' were not confining their commentary to just the practical issues at hand and virtually parroted the Bush Administration's line of it being "a cake-walk". Worse, there was no effort to balance off their blithe optimism with more measured voices against both the invasion and the conduct of the occupation.
Even now, five years into this disaster, there continues to be a derth of dissenting voices against the continuation of this costly and frankly worthless occupation. The scandal continues unabated, and shatters what little trust might be afforded the outlets we so often depend upon for news of events. After all, why should anyone believe anything from the media when they continue to grant air-time to those who have been repeatedly proven wrong?
A truly, truly tragic legacy the Bush Administration leaves us all.
This encapsulates
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Dies Hard
The reporting on war, and the rumors of war, has become, after much deliberate effort, of a piece with the military fiction (mil-porn?) which passes for entertainment with so many Americans. Besides, what is just about most Americans experience with military affairs? Mostly, seeing movies or TV shows about it or playing games (God help us) which purport simulate some aspect of militarised conflict. Before any factual reporting could be done, a lifetime's worth of military pap would have to be deconstructed.
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Any chance of a transcript?
I am audio impaired......
While the story clearly isn't 9and probably won't) get the traction it actually deserves, i would like to point out that Karen Tumulty is at least noticing and posting occasional links.
http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/04/update_psyops_on_steroids.html
http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/04/psyops_on_steroids.html
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Future Generations of "Journalists"
Brown, who now teaches journalism at the Walter Cronkite School of Journalism at Arizona State University
The horror. The horror.
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No Conspiracies Here I Reckon
Just a point as to how quickly conspiracy theories are routinely dismissed. Not to belittle your as usual excellent post nor to advocate for conspiracy theories in general. But I've heard and read this before, and before, and before, and before, ....
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Interesting thought is right! No be angry at me but... I heard DOD's Casey's voice yesterday...
It sounded like a lowly wounded PFC private cursing the 'ought' of 'though' and 'thought'... Oy! Wasted. Worthless.
A Arab, a Sunni, a Sheik, a Freak, a Creep... A Voice Shrieking over a ham hock or a mule-fly in a bowl of green pea soup.
A better idea is this:
Sip garlic morel soup.
It heals the Vitriolic spirit.
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My opinion : The media, generally, comes from a bad batch. 'Um are eating nasty DOD goo. 'Um loco. 'um eat yellow jello. 'um smooth up to a DOD queen bee's behind. Sting? 'um need to open the top lid of a killer bee hive from a Texan apiary Get a dose of karmic stinger bees sting. The right-wing, pro-war gang are a bad batch of sad sac bad creeps. These creeps are ill loco. Look. Listen. That's the Nature's true diagnosis. My apologies to/for use of a matriarchal bee apiary analogy. I'm less and less inclined to have any faith in these stunted male, emasculated creeps. The back peddle (oh wee wee, pea pea, we did not know) will still lead into a killer bloody swamp.
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It's another day at a heath facility for me.
I've cut my blog habit down considerably.
Tomorrow is my best friends birthday party.
O giddy.
And why, in hello, o jello, and 'um so damn loco,
And with such animosity and vitriolic disgust, humanity can be giddy? A mystery. 'um a bowl of morel with no meat? O, Maybe! Yep. I hear GOP pundits and seem to begin to hear myself mumble...
o heebie-jeebies. O 'um so dang depraved and miserable creepy. P.S. This comes to Mind : At about 4:30PM yesterday, in a V.A. hospital, the TV was tuned to Fox. Bill Krystal was grinning. In combat, a look like that meant OH DOC! It's an emergency medical evacuation moment. It was essential. Troops would die under the jurisdiction. A Basket Case Casualty! Medic! Serious. A dust off. Call a chopper. Haul another psychiatric casualty off. KIA.
A walking dead troop is in our midst.
OT` How can there still be a happy birthday wish? I'll go now to buy a ice cream cake.