Oh please some of you hardcore Clinton supporters are just as insufferable as the hardcore Obama supporters like manos 99 or X Hutman.

But one thing though, Obama is or will be running as an "angry black man"? WTF? I mean, we're talking about BARACK OBAMA, right? Wow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GejUlWnp3Hk&feature=related

Sorry, but the ivory tower-ness in here just makes me want to gag at times. All theory and no practice are not exactly an ideal formula for genuine insight.

Why do you think we have reached the place that we have culturally?

Should the floggings continue until morale improves?

Keelhauling is said to be unpleasant.

your questions seem to me to be passing strange. "Will they be as quick to shoot at checkpoints if Obama is elected." Well, I imagine they shoot when they think, mistakenly or otherwise, that their life is in danger. And you ask if they would be so quick to kill civilians if obama was president. Do you think s9ldiers are as it were primed to kill civilians? I was taught in basic training that to do that would be unlawful, that I would go to jail for it. In officer's basic course we had units of study on war crimes and what makes up a lawful and unlawful order. People go nuts everywhere, and I would imagine a war is a little stressful and people might be liable to go off the deep end a little more easily there, but that is still what it would be. Am I to imagine all non-military suspect because they too commit murders and crimes? The people I spent my time in the military with were in the overwhelming majority thoughtful and careful people, to a far higher percentage than I have found in any other field I have worked in. As someone who spent a lot of time in the military your words sound strange and out of touch.

I went to a move on org demonstrateion the other day with my kids. We stood there and held up a sign that said: support the troops, bring them home. One of the move on people came over and asked: why are you holding up that sign? Don't you know the troops are volunteers who volunteered to kill? When I told her I had been a soldier, what did you think of me, she said: that you were a volunteer murderer too. She then stalked off to the other side of the street to wave her sign.

Will they be less likely to kill civilians if obama is president? I reject the premise of the question (that they are even likely to kill as some sort of sop.)

The biggest difference: McCain did not sit and listen to Hagee's "sermons" for 20 years. Obama did. McCain can legitimately plead ignorance. Obama can't.

-- T. Suarez

In 2000, according to John McCain, Jerry Falwell is an agent of intolerance.

In 2007 - in the months prior to Falwell's death - according to John McCain, Jerry Falwell was no longer an agent of intolerance.

What changed?

standard operating procedure

I certainly don't blame the black people for feeling like we owe them something. -- michmog

I see. What exactly does 21st Century black America think they are due? Let me put it a different way. What exactly would it take for black America to no longer feel unfullfilled/unequal/unwhatever?

This attitue reminds me of our foreign policy. All we have to do is show up, drop off a TV and a Frig, franchise a few MacD's and Taco Bells and democracy will flourish.

What we really need to do is help rebuild the cultural and social environment, not just provide physical goodies. That takes generations. The good news is that for younger people, the sixties look really far away.

PS If this represents a significant portion of the right wing, no wonder the Clintons are such dirty fighters.

-- HeatherJohnston

They've been having to fight back for more than a decade now... while the RW (abetted by the M$M, aka the Beltway Press) tried every which way and more to undo the results of two elections.

There comes a point where a group of people just gives up because they feel there is no hope. -- michmog

I'm sorry, no hope of what exactly?

Given the treatment blacks have received in their ENTIRE history in the United States, can you honestly wonder why many of them are ANGRY?

That strategy doesn't seem to working out so well. It could very well cost Obama his opportunity for the Presidency. Maybe a different approach is in order.

I guess you would have to give up everything you stand for, and maybe a whole lot of booty, besides, sucka! -- Derbig Mooser

Didn't I see a farewell letter from you yesterday or so? Changed your mind already? Tsk.

I said near racist I believe. Wright also said something (paraphrasing here) about missing Natalee Holloway that I found more offensive that rather implied that she was drunk and was asking for it. This about a young woman who is most probaly murdered. He was offended because he said people were paying attention to this rich white girl. At another service a reporter attended he said something about the White States of America. To many white people, anger at white people will translate as racist. It will drive them away in droves. Before the General Election Obama needs to move his church letter (they used to call it that) to a church in Washington of the same faith but singing a different tenor. Maybe he will be smart enough to do that because the problem isn't just Wright, it's the church itself.

As someone who sat through many a church board argument, I can assure you that churches do not keep pastors who they do not like for twenty years. I sat through the virtual firing of a minister of the UU Church over a compensation amounting to less than $200. Wright was at that church for over twenty years because they like what he was preaching. Obama was at that church because he had to like both the church creed and the way that creed was expressed in sermons.* Believe me, there is more to come.

(*The only other possibility is that Obama was there for his own political advantage. I doubt that. That would be pretty cynical. However, as a presidential candidate, that church has outlived its usefulness to him. It is political poison.)