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Here is Wright's entire September 11th sermon, which someone has graciously posted on Odeo:
http://odeo.com/audio/17889043/view
It is a beautiful, hopeful, mournful and loving sermon, which when given in its entirety, speaks to how many millions of Americans of every color or creed felt after 9-11: renewed in our faith and trust in something beyond ourselves, renewed in our love for our families and communities, saddened that our government could think only of war and "spend money" in a time when we would've done anything, made any sacrifice, for the sake of peace.
Wright is not a bad, hateful man, just an honest one. I want to hear more of his sermons - they're truly inspired.
And I'd also love to hear some Hagee and (for Clinton's sake) some Doug Coe - are these men as thoughtful and genuine as Wright? Are they as inclusive?
I'd also say to any person who hasn't, read James Cone _Black Theology and Black Power_. This man is arguably the most important living American Christian theologian. Dummy me - I figured many people, including non-black people like me, ran into his work at some point in college.
Southern trees bear strange fruit
Blood on the leaves and blood at the root
Black bodies swinging in the southern breeze
Strange fruit hanging from the poplar trees
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Pastoral scene of the gallant south
The bulging eyes and the twisted mouth
Scent of magnolias, sweet and fresh
Then the sudden smell of burning flesh
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Here is fruit for the crows to pluck
For the rain to gather, for the wind to suck
For the sun to rot, for the trees to drop
Here is a strange and bitter crop
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Agents of Repression
The FBI’s Secret Wars Against the American Indian Movement and the Black Panther Party
http://www.southendpress.org/2004/items/Agents
Don't let the fact that Ward Churchill is one of the authors stop you.
“This study gives a chilling account of the government attack against AIM and the Black Panthers, placed in the context of the traditional use of the FBI for domestic political repression. It is a powerful indictment, with far-reaching implications.” —Noam Chomsky
These are people McCain got to endorse him during a political campaign; there's no analog to Obama's relationship to Wright.
In your view, at what level of hate should any political candidate reject the person or organization showing the hatred solely on the basis of the hatred itself?
We need a "hatredometer" if you will.
There is an obvious unit: The Alfred.
In milliAlfs, at what level should an organization or individual considered to be the moral equivalent of radioactive?
At what point does hoping and praying for the eternal unmitigated torture of your political opponent begin to register?
You may use microAlfs if you wish..
If Thanatos is a real component of the subconscious, then perhaps you are correct about teenage behavior; on the other hand, teenagers are also prone to impulsive, live for the moment actions and that may have nothing to do with Thanatos. Looking back, I did some seriously stupid driving as a teenage because it was fun. Was that a death wish, or just lust for life?
Anyway, I think poverty leads to people who ought not be parents becoming parents anyway, and then doing a terrible job of raising their kids with respect for others. Skin color is relevant only to the extent that it is linked to poverty (though the link between poverty and skin color is more complex). As for the antisocial behavior of rich bastards like Bush and Cheney -- men who grew up in comfort and education -- who the hell knows?
That wasn't just a blog post ... that was a nationally syndicated column featured at conservative megasites like Townhall and Human Events.
As a Black man whenever I get the courage I read Black American History afterwards I am also so angry or exhausted I simply fall asleep when I wake up of course nothing has changed externally but I still must wake up..
It is really so true we are are part of all of mankind's history as a Black man in this country on this soil all of my country's history impacts me today from slavery to disparate treatment from Instapundit to Rev.Wright..
For me the question is what do I do when I awake...
Aren't we, as liberals, required at certain times to denounce his extreme views so we can prove to everyone else that we aren't radical, communist, America-hating freakos?
The above quote, however, is a factual misrepresentation. It states, or strongly implies, that McCain said that Parsley and/or Hagee is his spiritual guide. Of course, McCain said no such thing.
From David Corn of Mother Jones (and Pajamas Media):
http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2008/03/john-mccain-rod-parsley-spiritual-guide.html
Senator John McCain hailed as a spiritual adviser an Ohio megachurch pastor who has called upon Christians to wage a "war" against the "false religion" of Islam with the aim of destroying it. . . .A politically influential figure in Ohio, Parsley could also play a key role in McCain's effort to win this bellwether state in the general election. McCain, with Parsley by his side at the Cincinnati rally, called the evangelical minister a "spiritual guide."
What were you saying about factual misrepresentations?
What you have not mentioned is that these same people are part of the religious right; they probably go to church at least once a week and their churches do nothing to discourage this mentality. Is it any wonder that the Rev. Wright and other African American ministers try to bolster their black congregations against the all too real and too prevalent hate mongering?
I meant Thanatos in the most non-psychological way, just a short hand for the unscientific idea of the death wish. I think its not exactly a thrill, more like you said, fun. But that fun is most fun when the risk is greatest. The thrill of pushing the envelope creates an inherent self-destructiveness. Having known a few children of privilege, I see a lot of that risk taken in the form of using drugs while operating in the professional or academic world.