Trust me, saying unpopular things will get you banned. I'm on my 7th name. Salon and the notion of free debate are like cats and antifreeze.

misspell cosmicc. Its a Kantian thing.

But don't take it to heart. Salon readers are like the drama club in high school. They were Emo before it was cool. Also a lot of them are just plain dumb as rocks, and it's not a sin to be retarded, they can't help it, they fell out they mamas that way.

On this fifth anniversary of an ongoing American crime against the peace, it is well to remember the 40th anniversary–four days ago, this last Sunday–of an American war crime in a hamlet named My Lai. On March 16, 1968, American soldiers–as brave as any fighting now in Iraq–obeyed blatantly illegal orders to gun down 504 Vietnamese civilians, nearly all women, children and infants.

The war in Iraq is a My Lai writ large: on a scale of a thousand. The best estimate of the number of civilians killed in this war, as of last year, is 1.2 million. Not all of those, by any means, have been killed by Americans. Many have been murdered by Iraqis; but American airpower has killed a very high proportion of those civilians, along with indiscriminate ground fire; and it was an American decision that unleashed this slaughter five years ago. 1.2 million people. That corresponds to a My Lai a day, every day, for six and a half years. That’s longer than this war has yet lasted, but not nearly as long as it will probably last.

The Republican candidate for president has projected an occupation of fifty to a hundred years. That could very well prove to be realistic. Of the two Democratic candidates, neither one has been willing to commit–even to an intention–to have every American soldier out of Iraq by the end of her or his first term: five years from now. That is unacceptable. But that situation will not change unless the American people demand that it change. We must demand that our representatives in Congress–as Representative Barbara Lee and others have proposed in resolutions that have not reached the floor for a vote– cut off the funding for any American presence in Iraq, including enduring bases, except for purpose of withdrawal over a period of months. We must demand that a candidate who wants our support and our votes commit to that same goal.

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http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/03/19/
ellsberg-remarks-at-die-in-san-francisco/

If the threat was grave, (it wasn't.)

If its military was strong, (it wasn't.)

If its weapons were modern, (they were not.)

If Saddamn Hussein wasn't delusional and naive', (he was.)

If the civilians were not primitive, (they were.)

If Iraq was about to attack, (it was not.)

If Iraq did not surrender, (it did.)

If Iraq's soldiers did not run, (they did.)

If the majority of civilians were not dirt poor and illiterate, (they were.)

It would not have been mass murder.

It was.

ok, ok, can we all agree to end this thread. I was only putting the thought out there, I wasn't looking for SALT II. This is like trying to sew a button with a nail gun.

Trolling is a behavior. Ideas have nothing to do with it. I don't know how long you've been on the net but I'd bet you are what is commonly referred to as a noob, or newbie, You are also a sub-type of concern troll and a meta commenter, but I was content to just ignore you and I saw no need to point that out to anyone else.

An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

It's not like the behavior or the term for it is anything new. It's been a consistent and evolving observable set of phenomena since Usenet's day. That's well over 20 years now. It's even been studied and reported in various discipline's academic literature.

And yes, I looked at his previous letters, in context on their threads, to reach that determination.

Or rummaging through their post archive to find an example that proves their hypocrites--that's Hannity's favorite. If you are a hypocrite, I obviously don't have to address your point.

Only Hannity does this. No one else does this. Media Matters doesn't even exist. It's a figment of your imagination.

I thought that progressive people established a long time ago that all environments had to change in America, the family, the social, the cultural, the political and yes even the electronic. Ok, shout me down (you know who you are).

-- omooex

I told you before, based on the content of your comments, I don't really care what you thin. I was content to ignore you until you decided to poke your nose into my business. Let's go back to before you did that. I don't want to hold hands with you. Have your Kumbaya moment without me. Please leave me out of your personal little dramas.

and it was inexorably stage-managed ... denied repeatedly ... but the fix was obviously in... "likelihood" and "possibility" had been operative the previous year .... the deep deep evilness of Saddam as a "state sponsor of terrorism" started on 09/11 (as later confirmed by Richard Clarke)... and yes, there are reputable accounts that suggest Bush's intention to "take out Saddam" and finish his father's (shameful) "unfinished business" preceeded the 2000 "election"...

I remain uncertain where Saddam fit on the 2001 or 2002 or 2003 list of "worst despots in the world" ... there always seems to be at least dirty dozen, many of whom were or are our friends ... received "our" support, our training, etc.

Living under tyranny sucks... The Iraqi people have been "camping out" in an extremely inhospitable urban landscape for 5 years now - no jobs, no electricity, bad water, uncertain food, constant jeopardy ... Anarchy sucks worse.