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Tuesday, March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

Obama's faith in the reasoning abilities of the American public

His speech underscored both the promise and the risk of his campaign strategy.

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Wednesday, March 19, 2008 07:04 PM

Iokannon in the well wrote:

Time for we Americans to show whether we'll listen to our better nature and try to correct the mistakes of our past (both recent and historical)...or if we'll follow a geriatric warmonger who should've been put to pasture decades ago.

If this country elects McCain, or gives him a close enough vote margin for the GOP to steal yet another national election, I plan to leave for good. At some point, you gotta say "fuck it."

Wednesday, March 19, 2008 08:08 PM

Can Obama Deny His Black Separatist Church Teachings While Remaining A Member?

Yesterday, Obama made excuses for his Pastor's hate mongering and refused to disassociate himself from his Pastor or his black separatist church. If a Pastor of twenty years of a GOP candidate made similar racist sermons against blacks he would not only have to apologize and quit the church he would have to resign from office and the candidacy for President. What is more troubling is that Obama used his white Grandmother occasional ethnic slurs that were made in private to further excuse his Pastors hate speech made from the pulpit. The sermons were even sold to the public on DVDs. Obama finally was forced to admit that he was aware of his Pastor's hate filled sermons despite the fact he had previously denied any knowledge of his Pastor's hate mongering from the pulpit of his church. Obama stated that he would fire Imus for his remarks about blacks and would not have such a hateful man working for him. Yet at the time he made this statement about Imus he had Rev. Wright on his staff and even now refuses to disassociate himself from Rev. Wright. One of the real questions is, who is Obama? In his public persona he is above race and uses a lot of flowery rhetoric to sway the masses. In private, Obama has attended a black separatist church for twenty years and refuses to disassociate himself from his racist America hating Pastor. Saturday Night Live had a good spoof on the media's fawning over Obama. It came to light again in the media's fawning over Obama's speech yesterday. If a GOP candidate had made similar excuses for a racist Pastor and refused to disassociate himself from his white separatist church and Pastor he would be totally scorned by the media and run out of town.

Wednesday, March 19, 2008 08:42 PM

@not able to think at all

black separatist church

No one has claimed it is a "black separatist church" because it isn't. Except for fucking neonazis like yourself.

Now fuck off twice.

Wednesday, March 19, 2008 08:53 PM

Colour of Change

The fear that comes with this speech is more on the idealogy of the Trojan Horse. Most Americans did not see Obama as a black man but a man. His motivational speeches got the entire country talking politics.

Is this idea a dirty trick or the dirty truth? The dirty truth is the racism runs both ways. Obama appears to have been raised on a religion that is not supportive of its country or its people. The dirty truth is he is aware of the feelings of his church but denies the knowledge.

He clings to his black heritage but ignores the white heritage. His campaign tried to pull the race card when they accused Clinton of claiming he was not a Chirstian but Muslim. The truth will seek you out.

The problem with Obama is his experience. With time, he could have molded himself into the image the media created for him. He has played politics and will pay for his inexperience.

What he should have done was be the better man, accept the voters choice in Michigan and Florida and conceded to Clinton. He took his name off the Michigan ballot. He choose not to be a voters choice. Take responsibilty for your actions.

Then he could have been VP running mate, then President. He could have had a 16 year run. Talk about change!!

The mud on Obama has only just begin. I am afraid the skeletons in this closet are not going to be pretty. They will divide the country even more.

Wednesday, March 19, 2008 09:29 PM

@ texasmountaineer

[...snip sniping...]

The mud on Obama has only just begin....

We noticed. You're helping.

... I am afraid the skeletons in this closet are not going to be pretty. They will divide the country even more.

You wish. Now FOAD.

Cheers,

Thursday, March 20, 2008 03:22 AM

arne:

It's quite apparent by his comment: "The fear that comes with this speech is more on the idealogy of the Trojan Horse.." that texasmountaineer couldn't possibly have read (or listened to) the speech.

Thursday, March 20, 2008 05:02 AM

Arne

I can't get anything outside of platitudinous encomiums out of him; nothing to chew on at all, really....

If you are talking about bebop, he called me "a creep" which I put in quotes since that is a direct quote.

I have never said a cross word to bebop, that attack came out of the blue.

Thursday, March 20, 2008 10:50 AM

glad to see you comparing yourself to Walter Mattner, Arne

i've always thought so too. (and thanks for the url, ondelette, to me, it's cautionary)

Thursday, March 20, 2008 10:55 AM

oh, puh-leeze!

It's so obvious that Greenwald is an Obama partisan. C'mon, Glenn, just come out and say it. I then eagerly await your trenchant expose on the MSM and how it basically kissed Obama's ass for six months.

The man is such an empty suit that he couldn't have gotten this far otherwise.

Oh, and that little matter of his whopper about not knowing that Wright gave inflammatory sermons ... until the NYTimes uncovered the fact that Obama uninvited Wright to his campaign launch precisely because he wanted to keep this mad uncle in the attic.

Don't expect to hear any of this from "fearless" Glenn Greenwald, though.

Thursday, March 20, 2008 10:57 AM

forgot to mention

Since Glenn so loves polls, why no mention of the fact that Obama has tanked in the polls since the speech. In a head-to-head with McCain, he's down by 10 points.

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