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Monday, March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

Time magazine invents facts to claim that Americans support Bush's domestic spying abuses

Time publishes an article that has more demonstrable factual falsehoods than it has paragraphs.

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Monday, March 17, 2008 08:05 AM

The odds are . . .

about a gazzillion to one that any particular person will be directly harmed in some way by a terrorist attack. On the other hand, it's pretty much a sure thing that the government will snoop in to your finances, email, political beliefs, health data, travel habits, anything they can get their hands on. It’s also a pretty sure bet that there will be a seamless connection between corporate and government collected and used personal data.

The more people realize that the so-called liberty versus security "trade off" is all in the government's favor with very little benefit to the individual or to society, the less tolerant they will be to the congressional bed wetters who claim to represent them and the bureaucratic bed wetters who claim to protect them.

Well, a fella can dream.

Monday, March 17, 2008 08:06 AM

They think we're all stupid...

GG...Have Calabresi and his editors been on vacation for the last four months?

“I was surprised to hear what Calabresi said about interacting with the public after leaving Yale,” said Paul Broomfield, father of Liz Broomfield ‘08. “Basically, he was saying that outside Yale, everyone is pretty stupid.”
Monday, March 17, 2008 08:11 AM

The really scary thing Glenn…

is not your continuing revelations about how much the M$M are doing the opposite of their role as a check on our government, but how they got away with it for so long and either by habit or corporate direction just keep doing it. I stopped my Time subscription because of your posts on Joe Klein and despite all of the negative blogging that Time has received since then, the editors at Time and its owner have learned nothing.

The real revolution that is going on because of the Internet is that you and others are now educating people like me about how much and often we have been misinformed and deceived. The owners apparently don’t care because too many people are still buying Time and other M$M media. I haven’t seen any recent polling, but I feel certain that media credibility is very low. I think the M$M scam is up, but it will take a while for serious ramifications, i.e. money loss, to take effect.

Monday, March 17, 2008 08:12 AM

Intercooler

This is such an insidious process that has far-reaching consequences, that it needs to be exposed in a detailed, rational manner fit for mass consumption so our citizenry can put into perspective the toll we're paying as a country and see how severely we're being misled.

Robert Greenwald, the producer of Iraq for Sale, has consistently posted videos taking down the MSM for its lies. His website has lots of shorts that you can share with people so they can see the disinformation for themselves.

http://bravenewfilms.org/

Monday, March 17, 2008 08:13 AM

GG, a request

One can only hope Calebrisi (or somebody on his behalf) will take issue w/ this post and offer a hearty "defense". Please share?

And may I offer a pre-emptive "it takes two to tango" (see? I didn't say STFU) to a certain twosome?

PEACE!

Monday, March 17, 2008 08:14 AM

Yeah, but, you say that like it's a bad thing

Glenn, are you saying that it's wrong for journalists to make stuff up even when they're doing so because they're patriotic and hate the terrists?

I mean, journalism's in a bit of a crisis now anyway, and to do things your way, with, you know, like "facts" and "evidence" and "reasoning" and stuff is, like, hard.

It's not easy to both write these articles about complicated stuff and go to really cool barbecues with John McCain in Sedona.

Stop picking on journalists Glenn just 'cause they don't like doing journalism!

Monday, March 17, 2008 08:14 AM

The root problem ...

Does Calabresi or his Time editors have the slightest idea how secret, illegal spying powers have been used, towards what ends they've been employed and with what motives? No, they have absolutely no idea. Not even members of Congressional Intelligence Committees know because the Bush administration has kept all of that concealed. So Time just make up facts to defend the Bush administration with wholly baseless statements that one would expect to come pouring out of the mouths only of Dana Perino and Bill Kristol -- the "motivating factor" for secret, illegal spying was nothing "other than law and order or national security." (GG)

The root problem is why these people would want to lie in this fashion. They know that they do not really know what the administration has been up to all these years and yet pretend that they do know the unknowable. Why do they pretend that they know that the Bush administration has been acting only to protect we poor citizens from the big bag blue meanies of the world?

The answer to why escapes me today.

Monday, March 17, 2008 08:15 AM

Shorter Glenn Greenwald

Time magazine, The Politico, and others are propaganda outlets for the US military and Bush administration.

Thanks for continuing to hammer this point home, Glenn.

Monday, March 17, 2008 08:16 AM

"Nobody cares" is nothing new...

...You also heard a lot of the "nobody cares" meme during the Valerie Plame mess.

I vividly recall watching some cable news pundit gabfest during Plamegate & the agreed upon conclusion reached by our insightful 4th Estaters was: "Nobody cares." (And this wasn't even Fox News).

Nobody cares about high treason, you see. Americans are too cheerfully uncomplicated to care about high level government officials exposing covert operatives risking their lives on the War on Terror. But Britanny's Spears' exposed genitals? That we care about.

Here's the way it works:

Makes Bush/Cheney/Republicans look bad=nobody cares.

Makes Democrats looks bad=of grave concern to the nation.

Having said all that, if it weren't for dentist & doctor office waiting rooms, nobody would even know Time magazine exists.

Monday, March 17, 2008 08:16 AM

bamage.

It takes two to quagmire and ruin a nation too...

Monday, March 17, 2008 08:18 AM

2003 CNN transcript of Calabresi re: Iraq-(fyi

From March 9, 2003 (Emphasis mine):

COLLINS: Massimo, we've asked this question before of other guests. But I'd be curios to know your answer. Who do you see as the most -- the biggest threat, I should say, to the United States? Iran, Iraq, or North Korea?

CALABRESI: Well, I mean, I hate to dodge the question, but they're each a different threat in a different way. Iran is a relatively consistent actor, much more predictable than the other two, than North Korea and Iraq.

North Korea, obviously, has been very, very bellicose in its rhetoric and is in a position to do much more immediate damage to allies of the U.S. and the 37,000 U.S. troops positioned on the peninsula. Iraq, for the reasons that have been laid out repeatedly over the last few months, probably does pose some threat as well.

COLLINS: Expansionism, of course, being one of those.

CALABRESI: That's right.

COLLINS: All right, Massimo Calabresi, of "TIME" magazine, we appreciate your expert insight today. Thanks so much.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0303/09/sm.11.html

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