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Monday, March 17, 2008 12:00 AM

Time magazine invents facts to claim that Americans support Bush's domestic spying abuses

Time publishes an article that has more demonstrable factual falsehoods than it has paragraphs.

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Monday, March 17, 2008 09:42 AM

Freedom still rings.

Two things:

Good article by Nicole Bell for Crooks and Liars Saturday. Bell connects the dots between Spitzer and the Billion dollar bank bail out. The corporations and their man Bush are fiddling. http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/03/15/elliots-mess-spitzer-investigation-tied-to-fed-bail-out/

I don't know how to link this in a shorter way.

Although some of you may not watch Television, HBO's, "John Adams" is a healthy dose of the founding fathers insistence that freedom is an inalienable right and tyranny from a leader will not be tolerated. I mention it because, once again films are one way to reach the public when msm fails. "John Adams" is wonderful reminder that we believe in liberty or death.

Monday, March 17, 2008 09:43 AM

Dirigo

You ought to watch the bushy tailed squirrels.

They scamper like rats in the light, sun, or moon.

I feel sad thinking about the shame of their children.

Spotting a rat ~ an hysterical relation will be ashamed and intrigued. Ask why?

Monday, March 17, 2008 09:44 AM

Public Opinion

There was a collection of establishment voices holding forth on the meaning of the fifth anniversary of the Iraq war in Sunday's New York Times op-ed section.

It's worth a look just for hacks, if you know what I mean; but, any reasonably placed - as in connected - public relations flack could have written that stuff for any one of the bigwigs whose names head the short pieces that were published.

Oh! Wait! Maybe that's what happened!

Monday, March 17, 2008 09:46 AM

Glenn, question.

I haven't had time to read through the comments yet, so forgive, please, if someone has already brought this up. Isn't the military collecting data on U.S. student groups a violation of the Posse Comitatus act, with or without warrants?

Monday, March 17, 2008 09:47 AM

Can't we vote about this or something?

So according to Time, we can gut the 4th amendment the second polls dip in regards to some particular issue? Shouldn't we amend the constitution or something? Or should we just let them declare that those particular amendments are not longer operative.

Sheesh!

Monday, March 17, 2008 09:48 AM

The Nation Better Than I'd Hoped

Couldn't stop TIME, but I did start getting The Nation, and am extremely pleased with it.

No pictures, but also no Britney, no Klein and no bullshit.

Lots of in-depth, what-does-it-mean actual reporting that I thought I'd never see the like of.

Not to mention newsprint pages that can go right into the compost.

Monday, March 17, 2008 09:49 AM

RMP

I haven’t canceled my emails from Time and look at the top ten stories they just sent me

Not much difference between those and the 'bat-faced boy' stories in the tabloids near the checkout counter.

Time for you to relegate them to the spam list. Unless, of course, you're enjoying the self-evident deterioration for purely vindictive reasons. ;->

Monday, March 17, 2008 09:49 AM

LWM

The slogan is "Privatize the profits. Socialize the losses."

GG-

this must have been a remarkably good piece. Everybody's off topic, because they have nothing to add, and nothing to argue with.

Monday, March 17, 2008 09:49 AM

Time Magazine

GG, you are being very polite by saying that Time magazine has "...an article that has more demonstrable factual falsehoods..."

You're too kind, GG.

Time is piece of shit publication.

Monday, March 17, 2008 09:49 AM

Opps. Citation Correction

Opps. I apologize. I cited the article about Spitzer wrong.

It was written by Greg Palast

"Eliot's Mess"

Reporting for Air America Radio’s Clout

March 14th 2008,http://www.gregpalast.com/elliot-spitzer-gets-nailed/

Monday, March 17, 2008 09:50 AM

But the fact is...

An insufficient number of Americans are sufficiently pissed off, scared and determined to make Bush stop spying on them. They haven't felt any negative effects, no one knows anyone who's been spied on much less carted out of his house in the middle of the night because of something he/she said on the phone. That part comes later, you see, after it's too late, after the checks and balances have been shut down all the way. But right now, I think it's true to say that no one cares.

Monday, March 17, 2008 09:50 AM

@Dirigo

Thanks for making sure that I didn't make a mistake and read some of that.

Oh darn, you made me now have to admit that I still get NYT emails, but only on their Sunday Review of Books. Does that make it OK?

Monday, March 17, 2008 09:51 AM

Public Opinion.

It's Time to inform: The quirks won't be viewed as cute.

I agree with a earlier poster. and what Glenn has stressed.

The American people see the SHAM and it's not cute or funny.

People may not be greatly informed, but they smell these rats.

People sense lies, skunks, creeps, frauds, cons, thievery, and their angry.

SNOBS. Go listen.

GOPS are quacks.

Fakes. Flakes. Wacky.

People aren't dumb ducks!

Monday, March 17, 2008 09:54 AM

Jim W. @ 9:13...

That one was hilarious, but so were some of the others... for which I have provided a wee bit of context...

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/President-Bush/ss/events/pl/
081201presidentbush/s:/ap/20080317/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush/im:/
080317/ids_photos_ts/r1432209624.jpg/#photoViewer=/080317/
ids_photos_ts/r1432209624.jpg

No. 6: A brief glimpse inside of the cheerleader bubble... oops! now, it's gone!

No. 9: "Suckkerrrsssss!"

No. 11: "I know I've got the right word or words in here somewhere... if only I could just yank 'em out."

No. 27: "If only I were a fundamentalist, I'd be looking for that Rapture right about now. Instead, we've all got to endure until January 20th, 2009. [sigh...]"

No. 29: "Un%#$&@^*believable!!!"

No. 37: Thought bubble: {I just hope someone wakes me up when this guy's through ramblin' on... but without makin' me jump.}

No. 46: "Heh, heh... you must admit that this bumbling fool has made anything I've been involved with look like pure genius."

No. 75: "No, the economy is not tanking, see, not going south. In fact, it's gone north!"

No. 84: Thought bubble... {What a base! You guys are great!}

Monday, March 17, 2008 09:55 AM

what

I'm curious about is why the media didn't even seem to investigate if Bush had spied on them. A couple of years ago Andrea Mitchell asked what I thought was a very strange question to James Risen:

Mitchell: Do you have any information about reporters being swept up in this net?

Risen: No, I don't. It's not clear to me. That's one of the questions we'll have to look into the future. Were there abuses of this program or not? I don't know the answer to that

Mitchell: You don't have any information, for instance, that a very prominent journalist, Christiane Amanpour, might have been eavesdropped upon?

I can find no follow up to this and the media seemed to drop it. Even if they claim that average americans don't care about government spying, I would hope that they would take care that they aren't being spied on. Of course I know they are supremely ignorant and don't really care either way.

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