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Wednesday, March 12, 2008 12:00 AM

Misadventures in logical reasoning -- and lessons learned from the Spitzer scandal

Nothing obliterates rational discourse like a titillating sex scandal.

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Thursday, March 13, 2008 06:36 AM

Even medium sized sport bikes will go over 150 these days

Any moron can go out and buy one and a lot do..

Literbikes (1000cc or bigger) are capable of well over 170 off the showroom floor.

Should anyone who desires one of these be forced into treatment?

Thursday, March 13, 2008 06:37 AM

@LWM

In case you missed Amerigo's post, he/she compared prostitution favorably (in some ways) to being a nurse's aide. Yes, it's poorly paid (our screwed up system) but it's beneficial to others. I don't believe for a moment that many prostitutes would prefer sex with strangers over taking care of others. Or bartending, or working at Wal-Mart or child care. There are usually other factors that drive women into prostitution and it's not simply job boredom.

As an aside: What kind of world have we come to when the people who help to take care of us and do necessary work are demeaned?

Thursday, March 13, 2008 06:41 AM

help to take care of us and do necessary work

I'm forced to assume that your NOT refering to prostitutuion.

Just thought I'd better make sure.......

Thursday, March 13, 2008 06:42 AM

Abuse

Many abuse victims made bad choices. It saddens me, but when they are adults, it is still their choice and there are (and should be) consequences.

Yeah, I don't want to be a prostitute, a stripper, a porn star, or even a lingerie model. It doesn't mesh with what my values are, or my age =( But then again, except for the prostitutes, the other women have some recourse if things go wrong. You can't beat up a stripper and trust that she can't call the police. If a strip joint owner confiscates all the strippers money, she can go after him, a pimp, not so much. A prostitute has little to no protection BECAUSE of the illegality.

If you look at many (if not most) rapists, murderers, pimps, molesters, you frequently see a almost desperate need for power. Why? Because they mostly come from hellish backgrounds themsleves. It's not an excuse.

Thursday, March 13, 2008 06:43 AM

BINGO!

There ARE laws to prtoect people from themselves.

-- AlecsMom

All bad laws. That is the worst use of the criminal sanction. Laws are meant to protect people from the intentional and malicious harm of others.

You are a smart woman.

Read Herbert Packer.

The Limits of the Criminal Sanction

It is no easy task, reading that.

It may make you think working as an escort ain't so bad after all.

It's at Amazon but find it in a library.

http://www.amazon.com/Limits-Criminal-Sanction-Herbert-Packer/dp/0804708991

Thursday, March 13, 2008 06:45 AM

AlecsMom

As an aside: What kind of world have we come to when the people who help to take care of us and do necessary work are demeaned?

-- AlecsMom

I'm not fond of your phrasing, but as to your general point: when was it that the basis of what you've written there was not a factor in human society? What do you mean by, "have we come to"? Is that like, 'what's the matter with kids today'? As if kids haven't always been kids?

Thursday, March 13, 2008 06:48 AM

Low pay jobs

As an aside: What kind of world have we come to when the people who help to take care of us and do necessary work are demeaned?

The work they do is very valuable, but they are not paid as much as you with your master's degree are paid for teaching. That is what is demeaning.

Why not? Surely work that is dirty and physically hard and less desirable, and more detrimental to your health ought to be better remunerated than white collar indoor work that is less detrimental to the health of the worker, if only because the white collar worker will probably live longer and thus have more years to earn and spend money.

Your low paid worker in a hard job has to pay Medicare tax on all his/her earnings, but is less likely ever to receive Medicare benefits than the higher paid white collar worker who does not have to work long shifts, antisocial hours etc.

Thursday, March 13, 2008 06:51 AM

The pending indictments

The inherent salaciousness of the story is a convenient smoke-screen in this instance and it plays much differently than the Siegleman story to the GOP's advantage.

If you are going to target Democrats for prosecution, make sure there is a sex angle for optimum results. You will get the best of both world's:

1) Sex- massive coverage, the MSM loves a sex scandal.

2) Distraction- the public, with much assistance from the media overlooks the real story. Malicious prosecutions of political enemies.

Thursday, March 13, 2008 06:52 AM

@ 6:31. Tricycle driver?

You peddle herbs while blogging? I tease.

You hobble via town with a three-leg-mule?

Join Abate. Debate tricycle rascalities, and tricks,

and the real 'drag' is to roll behind you a overnight,

one of those two-wheel luggage carts into the Mayflower.

I actually,

believe it or not, the last time I was in DC meeting, talked,

at the Mayflower, in walking distance from the train station, to a high-priced gal.

I talked to a sad-eyed, lovely Lady, who was dragging via the Mayflower doors...

a drag-bag.... I don't know if it was client 00-zero or who? I later talked to the bellhop.

LWM. I have never paid for affection either... I do keep falling in love. That's trouble enough.

Thursday, March 13, 2008 06:53 AM

Truth burns lwm ...

I've had it with you. I'm not even going to tease you anymore.

Take your Lew Rockwellian protofascist paleopuke and shove it.

You are totally incapable of supporting any argument. You replies are just other peoples words coupled with your own "feelings" and damn little comprehension. If you think that the perversion of the "justice system" (sic) in the last 50 years by prosecutors is a "good thing" then prove it.

But stop your incessant whining. You are much too old to be crying like a little girl.

Thursday, March 13, 2008 06:54 AM

No woman is ever forced

I don't believe for a moment that many prostitutes would prefer sex with strangers over taking care of others

To have sex with a client. They are independent contractors, like cab drivers. No law requires them to pick you up, or prevent them from putting you out of the cab if you smell bad.

They can say no. Another sex worker will be happy to do it.

That coercion only happens in the kind of prostitution, street hustling, we would never want to legalize.

Thursday, March 13, 2008 06:58 AM

Sex Surrogate

I just remembered I met a middle aged woman who was giving a relationship workshop my husband and I took years ago. (Friends talked us into it, eek, it involved angels and all sorts of touchy feely things, sing alongs, still have no clue what our friends were thinking)

One of the leaders was kind, funny, compassionate, very overweight, in her 40's. I eventually found out she was sometimes a sexual surrogate for couples that had very difficult problems in their sex lives that needed to be worked out.

She saw what she did as an act of kindness but in many places (and by many people) she would be considered a prostitute.

I cringe thinking of someone like her being put through the wringer of public judgement, let alone arrested.

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