but the only part that jumped out at me was the phrase "inherent stupidity."

The rest was a mindless wash of hearsay and circular thinking.

I calls 'em like I sees 'em.

I see Obama as a hypocrite already with respect to the drug war, for him to be a hypocrite in my eyes on other things as well will only be a matter of degree, not of kind.

-- Aycharaych

Things will be all better under President McCain. But that won't be your doing because you will have not voted for McCain. You will not have voted for the only guy on the face of the planet at the moment who is in a position to keep McCain from being president, either, but that won't be your fault. You were busy holding to your "principles". Must be nice to be blameless and "righteous" in all ways.

Sure you are. Is that in between rounds of playing apologist for the Empire? You've figured it out, you're just stubborn and don't want to give up the ghost, so you prefer subversion, subtle bigotry, and the role of apologist.

Sure you are. Is that in between rounds of playing apologist for the Empire?

Man, LWM is really good at making up shit and knocking down his own strawmen. He just can't handle not being perceived as a "good guy" because he labels himself that way.

Keep living your lie.

I don't either. Only one German nearby, and he keeps letting me get away with confusing dative and accusative cases. It's hard to restore one's fluency with such indulgent interlocutors. Back in the day, however.....

Deviant. What immortal hand or eye hath framed that fearful symmetry? I'll wager that the Lord of Hosts would run you clean out of Eden for using a word like that.

If you and Shooter and the guy, Bucky1, who likes to refer to himself now in the 3rd person for some reason, have some knowledge that Obama has bombed Pakistan, please let us in on it. Otherwise please refrain from calling us "locals" hypocrites.

I calls 'em like I sees 'em.

I see Obama as a hypocrite already with respect to the drug war, for him to be a hypocrite in my eyes on other things as well will only be a matter of degree, not of kind.

It's about the age old, tried and true practice of "shunning".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning

I don't hang out with "deviants" for a reason.

Yes, my definition of deviant is not the same as everyone else's. However, the list is growing and it's becoming less partisan! I'm becoming more conservative or centrist in my old age.

I had a German nursemaid until I was three. I only spoke German. At that point my parents became alarmed and she went to work for my father in the Doctors' office. I suppose I was getting too old for a nurse maid. The imprinting and subsequent loss of my maternal role model wreaked havoc on my tender psyche. I no longer speak German, either.

when you wrote:

from Yertle the Turtle, by Dr. Seuss No! from Wendell Berry...

...that today is Dr. Seuss's birthday?

agree!

And maybe, in the interest of such long-suffering commenters as are still looking at this thread, maybe we oughta can the German for a while.

schreibt man es eindeutig gross - aber ich glaube du kannst dir trotzdem nicht die Haende in Unschuld waschen!

Doch nicht am Anfang eines Satzes. Oder?

das hier ist so etwas wie eine kranker Clube der Poeten -

nur in Deutsch seid ihr noch ein wenig schwach - "wertfrei" schreibt man klein!

L.W.M. please lose the first of the nichts. Du kannst dich nicht so leicht die Hände waschen. There, that's better.

Wertfrei, Träumerei. Du kannst nicht dich nicht so leicht die Hände waschen.

Contd from above

The aforementioned proposal is one that most pf us can get behind and be proud of. 'mon Barack make this a plank in your secret inner platform or if you dare make such a proposal an outwardly expressed plank. Let's stop spending money on killing andinstead spend it on the living, so they can continue to live. Then and only then can the HEALING begin. The Pope is supposed to talk about healing but he is too busy being a Republican.

The Pope, were he what he claims to be, namely part of the 'Culture of Life', should and would be demanding that the entire world support such a 'healing proposal', or at least his party the Repub party do so. Instead he disrespects Muslims and Islam. How unchristian is that? And the same goes for Donohue and his ilk, the rest of the scum who belong to and support the Rethug party. Does the Pope threaten any of them with excommunication or a refusal to serve them Holy Communion, NOT.

This Pope and his immediate predecessor did not reckon on one thing and that is that I learned my Catholic catechism far better than they did.

...between Donohue, the Republican party, Bush and the Pope(s) people like Donohue said nothing and coasted along with the flow of slimy Repub politics. Now that the shit hits the fan among this strange and morally relativistic/ degenrate group of bedfellows and their cabal of right wing extremist theo-politics is collapsing they are attacking each other and chewing on each other from within. I, as a Catholic have absolutely no sympathy for any of them. Let them all have on with their self destructive right wingery.

They have all been totally complicit in devouring all of the rest of us and damning all of the rest of us as they carry out their idea of their right to assume that which only belongs to God, namely, the right of judgment. As near as I can tell all of these right wing extremists are guilty of the sin of PRIDE and that extends right up to the very top of the Rethug party and the Catholic Church and the evangelical fundies, including Hag-ee and his Boooshies and the Donohue type people. Judge not lest you be judged...

The cure for the sin of Pride(setting oneself equal to God) is the simple and yet totally profound virtue of HUMILITY. It is the virtue that should be cultivated by all of us so that we do not take onto ourselves any attributes that belong only to God the Father of us all and I do mean ALL. For any right wingers reading this let me help them spell it out, A-L-L.

Donohue and all of the right wingers(including the entire crew at Fox and their friends at MSNBC/NBC like Russert, Matthews and Scarborough{not Olbermann} so totally and egregiously take on and will never stop taking on the sin of Pride. May they all be damned for assigning unto themselves the role of God.They are a bunch of blasphemers, heretics and idolators as they only worship themselves and the Bushies and the Rethug party.

Now that Donohue's house of evil is falling he wants out and/or wants our sympathy. He and his ilk will never get any from me. Their crap/ hypocrisy has been going on since the time of Reagan and the alignment between Pope John Paul II, the Republican party (Jesus clearly said 'render unto Caesar... and that is good enough for me but apparently not for the Popes) and all of the other right wingers who damn everyone else who is not them). So let them all stew in their own juices; their own self created hell which they all so richly deserve.

This endless bullshit has been going on since Catholics began to align with the Rethug party, at least since just before Reagan. This alignment from hell may have even begun under Nixon, gaining full steam under Reagan, the ultimate Rethug and schoolyard bully.

The Rethug/Catholic/evangelical fundie party has quite successfully fractured and divided America into at least four and as many as fifteen different countries according to demographers. So given the Rethug party's divide and conquer strategy they better never come to me looking for any support for their 'Culture of Death' for profits and political power. None of them, N-O-N-E is anywhere near a part of the 'Culture of Life' not Donohue nor the Pope, nor the evangelical fundies.

If you want REAL and true 'Culture of Life' then may I suggest looking to people such as Bishop Desmond Tutu, Pres. Jimmy Carter and the Dali Lama. They all bespeak 'Culture of Life' and in the truest and most real meaning of those words.

For those who truly want 'Culture of Life' let me say again that we should all be doing what someone said which is to save the billions/trillions of dollars spent by the right wingers including the phony religious right. Instead let us spend only ten billion dollars a year and therein we can educate, clothe, feed and provide medical care for all the poor children of the world. Now thats what I call winning hearts and minds. Thats what I call Pro-Life and Family Values. With such activities even our so called enemies will give democracy another look.

That my friends is true Christianity, of which Jesus Himself would be doing were he here. Let the evil of the right wingers and their phony theocracy try to deny that.

Barack and Hillary should be demanding that we engage in such an endeavor. Hopefully one of them will do just that. And that same candidate will demand that we capture Bin Laden, against the wishes of George Bush and the criminal Bush family and their Saudi friends. Upon capturing Bin Laden they should immediately transport him to the World Court at the Hague and let them bring him to a world trial. That is exactly what Booosh and the other theo-corporate Bushies should have done when they had him trapped in December of 2001 at Tora Bora.

Bush let him go free and instead perpetrated this Bush family oil war against Iraq. This Republican Holocaust against Iraqi Muslims, none of whom deserve such a sentence of death and destruction as they are now getting and seemingly will continue to get for at least the forseeable future. And McCain wants it to go on for a hundred years? There is no 'Culture of Life' in that deadly future. What a pile of crap and bullshit the right wingers and their theocracy are perpetrating upon us all.

The aforementioned... See below