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Wednesday, February 27, 2008 12:00 AM

Majority of Israelis want to negotiate with Hamas

A view that is deemed "anti-Israel" in the U.S. is actually held by most Israelis.

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Wednesday, February 27, 2008 01:21 PM

I haven't heard anyone stipulate what Hamas is willing to discuss

Today they launched 50 rockets into Sderot, a town. Average flight time is a bit under 15 seconds. Today they reiterated their basic stance they would never ever talk to 'the eeevul zionist entity' ever. So who would Israel talk to? Bloggers? Ink stained dilettantes? And what would they talk about?

Wednesday, February 27, 2008 01:14 PM

Hamas happy rabbit

The Hamas Happy Rabbit television show today announced "We will kill the Danes." in response to Danish claims they will republish the famous Mohammed cartoons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBhdFYRR5tI&eurl=http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/125392

Seems reasonable to me. Produce children's TV programming that tells people to mass murder total strangers. If only they would advocate mass murder of Salon readers.

Wednesday, February 27, 2008 01:14 PM

@ omooex

You beat me to it. Respect is due.

Wednesday, February 27, 2008 01:13 PM

Glenn:

I believe, without being certain, that Salon is going -- once again -- to ban anonymous commenters and require that a name be used. Spittle like this is why I have become convinced that this is a good idea.

I'm very pleased to hear it.

Wednesday, February 27, 2008 01:13 PM

@ Glenn

I think I remember Prof. Chomsky saying once in an interview that I either saw, or perhaps read in ZNet, that being on television was problematic for him because typically he'd have time to say no more than the equivalent of a couple of paragraphs worth of single sentences, which would be a waste of his time. He also made the point that what he had to say would make no sense anyway when arbitrarily condensed. I don't remember his exact words, but it was something like that.

It's a good point. Unless we had real talk shows, of the kind Monty Python used to mock the BBC for, or American shows like the book reviews on C-SPAN, how much of Chomsky's reasoning could you actually hear on the air, and what would sound-bite Chomsky be like, I wonder? It's hard to imagine.

More to the point, if Chomsky on TV were formatted like the C-SPAN book reviews, how many more Americans would watch it than read his books and articles now?

I'd like to see more of him, but I wonder if Tim Russert's audience would?

Wednesday, February 27, 2008 01:05 PM

Chomsky

"But he's a fringe, loser freak who can't be heard from. Our geniuses instead are Tim Russert, Charles Krauthammer and Brian Williams. What else does one need to know?"

When you put it that way, it does sound pretty crazy.

If I remember correctly, in the movie "Manufacturing Consent", Chomsky talks about why he eventually stopped agreeing to appear on mainstream media programs. Something along the lines of real analysis of the issues being impossible to fit into the sound bite structure. He would always sound like he was from Mars, he said.

In a way, he did it to himself. But obviously, he's right--in a tv world where most pundits don't even know that the US supported the dictatorial Shah in Iran just twenty odd years ago, Chomsky would indeed sound like a lunatic.

Wednesday, February 27, 2008 12:55 PM

Various anonymouses

Who will Glenn blames when not much of anything changes under President Obama?

Mystical Jewish mind/banking/media control black magic?

I believe, without being certain, that Salon is going -- once again -- to ban anonymous commenters and require that a name be used. Spittle like this is why I have become convinced that this is a good idea.

Wednesday, February 27, 2008 12:53 PM

casual_observer

A lot of the good points made in this article remind me of a recent speech by Noam Chomsky, featured last night on Democracy Now.

I watched that. Isn't it amazing how successfully he has been declared persona non grata in our establishment press? I don't agree with him on everything by any means, but there are few people anywhere more articulate, intelligent, and knowledgable than he is -- and particularly who possess the faculties of critical thought that he does. And, of course, he revolutionized linguistics and social science theory.

But he's a fringe, loser freak who can't be heard from. Our geniuses instead are Tim Russert, Charles Krauthammer and Brian Williams. What else does one need to know?

I've wondered for some time whether: (a) Chomsky cares about how marginalized he is in the establishment press and whether he thinks it would be better if his views were more widely voiced and (b) he could have -- or should have -- done more to prevent that marginalization? I don't know the answers to either, but am interested in what others think about that.

Wednesday, February 27, 2008 12:51 PM

@You cannot negotiate with this mindset

But you can stop it from spreading to others, and you can encourage people to abandon it.

Wednesday, February 27, 2008 12:45 PM

A Hamas friend of mine

said he'd rather die than negotiate with Israel.

He also prefers stealing to working or going to school.

Yes, that's right---he's a Black Hamas member.

Small world!

Wednesday, February 27, 2008 12:43 PM

Also Please

There's going to be a lot of reactionary crap being aired here today, but please, intelligent Greenwald readers, stick to the substantives, not the crap and drivvel.

Wednesday, February 27, 2008 12:39 PM

@ Scientician

It's the bunny suits. Really. Extremists in bunny suits means they are all terrorists. Or anarchists. Or socialists.

Wednesday, February 27, 2008 12:36 PM

Who will Glenn blames when not much of anything changes under President Obama?

Mystical Jewish mind/banking/media control black magic?

Wednesday, February 27, 2008 12:33 PM

More importantly

Hamas has said they will never talk to Israel. Kind of puts a wrinkle in your plans, don't it?

Wednesday, February 27, 2008 12:32 PM

Thanks.

I AM an Israeli, a left-wing one, albeit one currently living in the US.

It's nice to see someone pointing out the distinction between Israelis, the people who actually have to live in the region and live with the results of far off political decisions and people in the US who pronounce themselves "pro-Israel".

I would just like to point out that much of the "pro-Israel" lobby has been taken over by evangelical Christians. While I would like to thank them for their tourist dollars, I would prefer NOT having someone whose ultimate goal is Armageddon (and the destruction of my people) to have too much control over the politics in the region.

Wednesday, February 27, 2008 12:32 PM

And yet if JPost is quoted here it's tossed away as agitprop

So we stick to Haaretz which is further to the left than Salon even, and, they quote a survey that's from TAU which is even further to the left than Haaretz itself. I guess Mark Twain is in order here, lies, damned lies and statistics, etc.

In either case, what would they talk about? Hamas has already said it will never stop firing rockets into Israel. Never. So.....?

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