Letters to the Editor

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The Supreme Court's refusal today to rule on the NSA spying program means that the telecom lawsuits are the last remaining hope for finding out what happened and determining its legality.
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  • Am I the Only One...

    who thinks that GWB is going to pardon the entire telecommunications industry on his last day in office if he doesn't get his way on FISA?

  • The question is ....

    What the hell can we do about it? I have called, I have written, I have written letters to the editor.

    Shoukd we take to the streets?

  • Will the circle be unbroken?

    Yes. As you predicted. Sometimes, it's no fun being right.

  • Is there anything I can do?

    How do you pressure the Supreme Court to deal with it?

    How do you get a special prosecutor when the AG colluded?

    Any ideas?

  • If one government can write laws to retroactively exonerate the telecoms...

    ...another one could retroactively cancel that original legislation.

    If there were an honest investigation of this government from top to bottom, I believe that even you and I, Glenn, would be shocked, and I believe that hundreds if not thousands of politicians and bureaucrats and executives from the military-industrial complex would go to jail.

    Oh, right, have to remember to press the Publish Anonymously button from now on. Must be careful!

  • Public Accountability

    There is a real need to increase public accountability in nearly all government functions. In a time when most government agencies are run like spy agencies, would it not be right to start with the intelligence gatherers? We no longer live in a post WWII cold war environment. There is no real enemy out there; why should budgets be secret? Why should there not be public reports of what is done and why? Congress has the power to change this.

  • First edition errata

    None of the "great controversies" of the Bush years, involving multiple accusations of lawbreaking, war crimes and other forms of serious corruption, has resulted in any legal process or investigations or ajudications because our government officials have been vested with omnipotent instruments to shielded themselves from accountability, or even investigation, of any kind.

    Can the ACLU petition the entire Sixth Circuit to re-review, as opposed to a 3 judge panel?

  • Bamage

    Can the ACLU petition the entire Sixth Circuit to re-review, as opposed to a 3 judge panel?

    Not any more. I don't know if they petitioned the full panel to hear the appeal or not (en banc), but either way, once the appeal is taken to the U.S. Supreme Court, the Court of Appeals petition can no longer be invoked.

  • Tsunami of Freedom

    We need to overwhelm these SOBs. If we could get enough new and serious people in the congress we could impeach Scalia, Roberts, and all of the other NEOCON - Non-americans, and send their asses off to exile, too!

  • For some reason I'm reminded of the fact

    That the administration has been routinely and in direct defiance of the law, scrubbing their e-mail archives.

    I only bring it up because A: it represents another example of their brazen disregard for any form of respect for the office they hold beyond their own occupation thereof, and B: it reminds us that, while the explanations we have been given concerning the NSA program may make it seem reasonable, the fact remains that lying and destroying evidence is second nature to these people and we therefore have no reason to trust a single word we have been told.

  • BUT

    You don't KNOW what they did, how they did it, and whether or not it was really illegal or not. So why complain?

    Besides, Sandy Berger....

    Just filling in for Shooter here.

  • Can Congress be sued

    for not fulfilling its constitutional duty?

  • Target: Jello

    If Congress caves and retroactive immunity does indeed get passed, then I think we need to bombard Jello Jay relentlessly to force him to hold hearings on both the NSA program and on whatever program it was that led to the threats of resignation. If the full committee is involved, I'd even be fine with the bulk of the testimony being behind closed doors.

    What I'm talking about is a completely focused and unrelenting campaign aimed at Rockefeller alone. Hundreds of calls to his office. Every day. Hundreds of faxes. Every day. Pickets everywhere he goes. Every day. Ads in his local paper. Ads on his local TV. Letters to newspapers all over the nation, holding Rockefeller personally responsible for not getting to the bottom of what the country has done. Maybe even a "countdown clock" until the next election when he can be turned out into the streets.

    He has the power to convene these hearings. If immunity passes, we need to make his life a living hell until he does just that.

  • Glenn (from the post)

    Thus, despite agreement among legal experts across much of the political spectrum that George Bush and company committed serious felonies in spying on Americans without warrants, the two other branches of government have been completely closed off (willingly) in investigating what happened or even in determining whether the law was broken.

    Felonies in the name of the Great War on Terra-ism are not felonies (see, e.g., the great fondness for torture amongst the diaper-wearing contingent).

    What is overlooked (certainly by the media, and possibly by the populance) is that these moves, aside from being illegal, have been non-productive as well and most of the secrecy and cover-up has been to prevent people from finding out that these moves have been far more for political purpose than actual security purposes.

    An honest assessment of 9/11 would have found the maladminstration too busy looting the country to bother with doing their job, and doing pretty much the same post-9/11, except when they were trying to "Giuliani" the GWOT for political advantage.

    Cheers,

  • Jim W...

    I like your idea. Nothing like a really focused campaign to get people behind it.

    And just think of all the ways we could use "Jello!"

    Demonstrations with bowls and bowls of the wiggly stuff.

    The logo affixed to faxes and such...

  • Secrecy

    What should we expect from people who are members of secrecy obsessed frat cults their whole lives, like Skull & Bones, Bilderberg, and Bohemian Grove? A belief that transparency is more powerful than secrecy and secret knowledge? Because those seem like absolutely perfect environments to foster that kind of desired behavior, frat cults and blackmail, lol. Our political and intellectual elites thrive on Knowledge is Power and the "secret knowledge" of things like freemasonry. Except instead of keeping powerful secrets like how to make pretty buildings with a compass and straightedge, they use their secrecy for more modern applications.

    Imagine if, say, Vladimir Putin was accused by his own top officials of systematically spying on Russian citizens for years in ways that were patently illegal, but he then manipulated the courts to ensure he was never accountable, and had his political allies in parliament block any investigations, so that the activities remained concealed forever and he was never made to answer for what he did.

    That would require our elite to care about the "Golden Rule", and we can't have that. That is like asking an American how they would feel if the Chinese invaded Mexico and set up the largest permanent military base in the world. Or asking an American how they would feel if the Secret Intelligence Services of a Foreign Government on the other side of the globe covertly overthrew our Government and installed a medieval dictator and a brutal police state apparatus.

    The ethic of reciprocity is not to be given to "bad guys", as the goal of such propaganda is to dehumanize the "bad guys". If they are not perceived as human then they can be treated differently, i.e. in a way that would be considered immoral if done to "humans" or "good guys". A one-two punch. Treat the bad guys like shit, and then when they retaliate, claim that their retaliation is because of their "inhumanness", and make your dehumanizing case against the "bad guys" even stronger. Seems like business as usual to me.

    That way moral relativism can rule the day without making the so-called "absolutist good guy" appear overtly hypocritical, even though both sides love relativism and will most definitely use it to further their own agenda. The tyranny of whoever is in charge. The only "golden" concepts that our Guidestone following Pagan elite care about are bullion and ratio.