"without oversight we don't know what they are listening to."

Original Strength FISA let us know the sort of type of thing they were listening to. I miss that. It hurts to admit that I used to think freedom was a secret court.

Indeed, there has never been anything to worry about over the last few centuries of civilization. Doesn't Mark Steyn read history? Those who fought the great wars to defeat fascism and communism were just overwrought right wing nuts.

Now why won't Mark Steyn just let the poor Islamists alone? Doesn't he realize that Islam means "peace"? C'mon it is the religion of peace for Allah's sake.

As Glenn and Mikey Moore suggest: "There is no terrorist threat!"; so everyone just relax, there's nothing to worry about.

It is said that the price of liberty is "constant vigilance"? Gimme a break you silly people. But there are real monsters lurking about like Christians and global warming.

Unlike the others you mention, the Bush-haters feel that our present sent of laws and politics has within it all the civil social and legal power to eliminate Bush and his cronies and their policies from the American government.

Ok. So the people who fashion and enforce the "rule of law" will stop the insanity and save us. Got it. BushCo, congress and the MIC aren't that serious of a threat because they realize how evil they are and will soon impeach and/or imprison themselves/each other. That's good to know.

*sigh*

but maybe not , if you look in the right place .

http://88.80.13.160/wiki/Wikileaks

from that site

Now censorship has extended to the United States of America, land of the First Amendment. As of Friday, February 15, those going to Wikileaks.org have gotten Server not found messages. Today I received a message explaining that a California court has granted an injunction written and requested by Cayman Island’s Bank Julius Baer lawyers. It seems that the bank is trying to keep the public from accessing documents that may reveal shady dealings. Wikileaks was only given a couple of hours notice “by email” and was not even represented at the hearing where a U.S. judge took such a drastic step attempting to totally shut down an important information outlet. The result was this totally unprecedented attempt to totally wipe out the existence of Wikileaks:

“Dynadot shall immediately clear and remove all DNS hosting records for the wikileaks.org domain name and prevent the domain name from resolving to the wikileaks.org website or any other website or server other than a blank park page, until further order of this Court.”

@adnoto, Are you criticizing methods, or just the idea of opposing the WH's positions/actions ? If the former , what's your suggestion(s) , if any . Are you saying that it's hopeless? Not really sure what you mean , other than "That won't work" .

Freedom Fanatic... Those who fought the great wars to defeat fascism and communism were just overwrought right wing nuts.

Not much of a History Fan, eh?

Between WWI and WWII, during the rise of fascism in Europe and here, the "right wing nuts" were the last people who wanted to fight fascism. They were fascism. American fascism, you git. Some of them actually conspired with the Nazis to set up a "Vichy government" here after America's defeat at the hands of the Axis Powers. They were arrested and prosecuted and imprisoned. It finally took Pearl harbor to bring most of them around, grudgingly. Go away and read a book, you ignorant fuckwit. One not written by Jonah Goldberg or publishe by Regnery.

"Suggest" meaning, of course, "don't say at all, but I'll pretend they do to make my point."

And what was your point, exactly? You "suggest" that nobody ever pumped up a potential threat for political gain. Not in the history of civilization. Certainly not the honest-to-a-fault folks in the Bush Administration.

That about right?

Those who fought the great wars to defeat fascism and communism were just overwrought right wing nuts.

Ron Paul is for peace. War is evil! Only liberals are warmongers!

Ron Paul is Lyndon LaRouche's sockpuppet.

This book is liberal fascism's great propaganda effort.

Old Nazis, the New Right, and the Republican Party

Domestic Fascist Networks and their Effect on U.S. Cold War Politics

http://www.southendpress.org/2004/items/OldNazis

This book tells it like it was! Like it must be!

Liberal Fascism: The complete, untold story of the Keyboard Kommandos, the forgotten heroes of the War On The Terrorists and Their Liberal Allies.

http://www.lulu.com/content/1811025

http://jonswift.blogspot.com/2007/06/jonah-goldbergs-shining.html

Fascism: The marriage between government and business

Corporate Media: The type of misinformation viewers, readers and listeners are broadcast and printed for the sole purpose of manipulating the agenda and keeping Americans uninformed.

Liberal Fascism: a construct of Jonah Goldberg's mind that has no relationship to historical fact, nor present realities. He is a corporate tool or simply a greedy bastard.

What some on the right refuse to recognize is that attacking Iraq is not fighting the "war on terror;" it is a means of taking control of Iraq's oil and establishing a military presense in the Middle East.

Democratic voters and liberal are not appeasing terrorists simply because they want to stop mismanaging the problem of terrorist cells, (a law enforcement and intelligence agency problem not a military one unless state sponsored terrorism can be proven,) and use an intelligent method of undermining terrorist networks while proving to young Arab warriors that we are not the Great Satan.

Of course, that would require admitting that there is no such creature as Satan no matter which religion claims there to be one. And yes, with the realization that there is no demon walking among us creating all the violence and insanity other than symbolicly for the mental illness that possesses people who believe that they have the right to start wars without being attacked, (Iraq did not attack the U.S. - fifteen Saudis, an Egyptian and three others did who were not acting as state sponsored terrorists, but as hitmen for an Arab gang of roughly 3000 hoodlums who hid out in the caves in Afghanistan led by a Saudi, but because of our invasion of Iraq it became a better recruiting tool for young terrorists than anything Bin Laden could have hoped for.

So no, liberals do not want to appease terrorists, they just want to stop doing the stupid thing, and begin doing the intelligent thing so that no more lives have to be lost unnecessarily and so that we are not creating more enemies than we had before the illegal Iraq invasion.

Simply because certain leaders in this country are callous toward international law does not mean that what they did was not illegal. In fact, one of the main reasons for the continuance of this war is the historical axiom that the victors write the history. They are desperate to succeed because then they will interpret how history views our slaughter of innocents. If for any reason the current administration, the corporate media, and defense contractors lose the war that they started, they are terrified that the world will write the history of this war, and it will not be good for those who continue to attempt to convince us that it is.