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Sunday, February 17, 2008 12:00 AM

The fun and excitement of civilization wars (fought from afar)

Believing that one is waging paramount war against the most evil enemy ever is a garden-variety psychological need, not a political or ideological conviction.

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Sunday, February 17, 2008 05:13 PM

Reilly and William Timberman.

The goats are on the farm truck chewing beer tin cans.

If Reilly will heal the lady goat's mastitis, he's hired for a fair wage?

Goat milk!

The GOP befuddlement will end when someone can guess Mona's weight?

A prudent male will not offend dear Mona! It's wise to guess absurdly low.

Mona. I tease.

Drink skim milk.

Sunday, February 17, 2008 05:16 PM

Shameless Dishonesty

Andy McCarthy has yet another post up in which he claims that the PPA monitors foreign terrorism suspects in foreign countries without any mention of the fact that the act allows the government to eavesdrop on AMERICANS inside the U.S., too.

Here's what he writes:

As of midnight this morning, intelligence gathering powers are now back to where they were before the Protect America Act was passed in August 2007. At that time, according to McConnell, we had lost about two-thirds of our overseas collection capacity because of the FISA court ruling which, for the first time in history, required court authorization for monitoring foreigners outside the U.S. who contact other foreigners outside the U.S.

The Protect America Act reversed that ruling for six months. It is now expired. We cannot collect on new targets overseas without going to the FISA court and showing probable cause that the target is an agent of a foreign power. As foreigners outside the U.S. have no U.S. legal protection (or at least didn't until the FISA court ruling), and as the federal courts have no jurisdiction outside the U.S., we are not supposed to have to make any showing whatsoever to collect intelligence overseas.

How does he get away with such a blatant LIE?

Sunday, February 17, 2008 05:23 PM

Respectfully to cocktailhag.

No problem. I'll sketch a lousy cartoon graffiti on the Lady's restroom door?

It will be fun to pencil drawl a Rorschach image with a leaky balled point pen.

cocktailhag? If you took racquetball-101 in Law School, I bet you'd got straight 'A''s.

Sunday, February 17, 2008 05:29 PM

Good Celery!

Take away the tin cans and give them copper to chew on.

And dolomite - but not the Rudy Ray Moore movie.

And cut back on protien.

You already know all this. I hope she gets better and that's the best job offer I've had in years.

Sunday, February 17, 2008 05:34 PM

cocktailhag again.

I'll go if it's a 4-star restaurant. I'll order rainbow trout. W.T. will pick up the tab.

However, knowing the lawers's, you'll need a push boost out the bathroom window?

William Timberman has a vintage, polished, getaway Honda, with no fuel and bald tires.

I'd say just punch William Timberman in the snout so he can see rainbow trout fish colors.

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Sunday, February 17, 2008 05:40 PM

The best part of this post?

Glenn using the solemn words of Adam Smith to reveal the ignoble don't-wannabe-warriors in their own Truthiness.

Sunday, February 17, 2008 05:42 PM

Salmo irideus

You're a lover, B, not a puncher. And that isn't goat you smell, it's Pan ;-)

Sunday, February 17, 2008 05:42 PM

Reilly and William Timberman.

The goat goes straight for the grey colored wormwood plant.

Wormwood is bitter and may have made the French poet enter good madness (Anise), ..

O, but do not worry. Be happy. Watch the lame goat who leads from behind. good night.

Let's wish Mark Steyn and all readers a innocent erotic visitation dream, and harbor no ill-grief!

Sunday, February 17, 2008 05:43 PM

It's not the atavistic psychology, Glenn. Its the oil.

Take away the scarcer by the day resource of oil and the emotion seems to fade away. Why does Hugo Chavez merit more vitriol than Castro or Ortega? Oil. Why do the more dangerous and actually nuclear bomb armed North Koreans get nice letters and the Iraqis get hell and the Iranians get threats? It's the oil, stupid.

Sunday, February 17, 2008 05:48 PM

Wormwood

Also a prime ingredient of Absorbine Jr. Good for athlete's foot, but doesn't turn milky when you add water, and definitely not to be confused with a Left Bank apéritif.

Sunday, February 17, 2008 05:56 PM

About 1980, which was close to age 30...

... I realized that oppressive bosses had ideas they should have gotten over when they were about fourteen years old. Then I tried to talk to them, but no joy.

Now we have not just silly little guys in charge of little American companies, running their own companies and employees into the ground. We have guys even dopier than my old bosses in charge of the whole country.

Glen, you are right. Every American boy wants to fight Hitler. That would be so much easier than real life. You cannot talk to them though; you cannot shame them or josh them along. Vote against them and ignore them. That may not defeat them, but it might give you some breathing space.

Sunday, February 17, 2008 06:02 PM

off-topic-ish

I wanted to share something I just read... the riposte I had been looking for when one of our authoritarian trolls mocks our delusion of being so important that the government would actually care about our private conversations. As usual, Arthur Silber says it better than I ever could:

It's not that I think the government is keeping tabs on me in particular. I'm not that arrogant. I'm sure I'm of no importance to the government whatsoever, being a minor blogger with a small readership and all. That's not the point [...] it's not that the government is actually spying on me, or you, or anyone else; it's that the government can spy on any of us, if it wants to -- if it decides to cause us trouble for any reason, or for no reason, or if it decides to make an example of us.

Please click my sig to read the post in full... and I urge you to leave him a little PayPal love if you like what you read. If ten people gave $5, that's groceries for the week. The man is that close to the edge.

Thanks for reading this.

Sunday, February 17, 2008 06:07 PM

@Kathy K

Lie? or , as previously posted (who?), "doublethink"/ believe ? Been seeing that all over , and I think most of 'em have been copying each other's homework , so don't even know it's false . The curious part is that those that are most distrustful of government in general, believe this government implicitly , at it's most intrusive and secretive .

Here's an exchange at Blogs for Victo(R)y aka Blogs for Bush last night. (until my Third World-ish ISP dumped me off again ) ( bold/emphasis mine). Wish I had some magic formula to get through with some sort of fact-realization thingy.;D It's all against "THEM" , nothing on "us".

78.Mark Noonan

Diana,

Once again, you are just being dense - we’re not trying to build a criminal case, but kill enemies in war time. And we’re not trying to keep Telecom execs out of jail for 4th amendment violations, but just keeping greedy trial lawyers off their a**…

Only in the paranoid, deluded and ignorant left is there anything here other than a run-of-the-mill national security issue being hamstrung by Democrats who ask “how high” whenever the trial laywers so much as whisper “jump”.

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79. Diana Powe

Mark,

That’s all a crock. If the issue was really having a law adequate to the task, then the President could have asked for even more changes to FISA than he already asked for and got. However, instead, the Executive Branch chose to break the law and lie about it until they were exposed. Why did they break the law? Was it because they couldn’t get the REPUBLICAN-controlled Congress to change the law as they wanted? No. This Administration is dead-set on expanding the Executive Branch and placing it above the other two branches of the government.

We all understand that you have a financial interest in “proving” how “corrupt” the Democrats are but you can use the magical phrase “trial lawyers” all you want and it doesn’t change the fact of who is facing whom in civil court over the violations of FISA. If you think extracting money from AT&T is SO INCREDIBLE SIMPLE why don’t you just make up something and go sue them for the lost equity in your house? It should be a simple matter to shake them down for a few thousand dollars, right?

President Bush made the conscious and deliberate decision to let the PAA expire over telecom immunity. I know he doesn’t want personal responsibility for his actions. I know you don’t want him to bear personal responsibility for his actions. However, the personal responsibility is his and his alone. If he didn’t like the idea of personal responsibility then he should have stayed with the Texas Rangers Baseball Club

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80. mikeinportc |

“Because greedy trial laywers wish to make ever more money, Nancy Pelosi has placed Ameirca’s security at risk - for her, dead Americans are not as important as keeping a well-heeled donor-base happy”

Is that copied from Rush Limbaugh, or did he copy it from here ? There isn’t anything at risk with this, except us, from our own government . Whatever powers this president gets will be passed on to the next one . Do we really want to give a Hill-Billy, McCain or Obama administration access to ALL, and with no oversight? I sure don’t .

Re :”greedy trial lawyers” The EFF lawyers make ~ 1/3 what they could get elsewhere , and that’s ALL they’ll get from this . That whole line of argument is bs. The real question is whether or not the Constitution will continue to mean something , or just be a “quaint” wish list .

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81. Mark Noonan |

mike,

I want the President to have the ability to monitor enemy communications in war time. I don’t care who the President is.

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82. mikeinportc |

“If they aren’t given immunity from civil prosection, they won’t participate in data mining requests, which have already been shown not to violate FISA and certainly don’t violate any consitutional protections.”

With a warrant . Without a warrant - violates EVERYTHING (that’s pertinent) .

“they won’t participate in [ed.note: ILLEGAL!] data mining requests”

GOOD!!!

“already been shown”

PuhhhLeeeeezzz!!!!

Nothing has been shown . The telecoms say that the WH forbids it , and the WH is stonewalling too . (When do they not?)

Besides, if they’re innocent , they have nothing to fear . Right? =)))))))))

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83. Mark Noonan |

Diana,

It wouldn’t have helped or harmed President Bush at all to allow the FISA law to be done without a shield for the telecom companies - but it would have harmed national security, and that is a concern all Americans should share. You don’t, because you’ve been gnawing an absurd bone on this subject for a couple years now…you have convinced yourself that a law was broken and that President Bush lied about it, and because you don’t want to back down from your position, you just cobble together a rationale for oppositon to anything happening on the matter of signals intelligence.

Its outrageous what is happening here and it disgusts me no end to see what depths you on the left have fallen to in quest of your hatred for President Bush. For crying out loud, let it go - the man is out of office in 11 months. Think of your country, for once.

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84. mikeinportc |

“mike,

I want the President to have the ability to monitor enemy communications in war time. I don’t care who the President is.”

Mark , WE aren’t the “enemy ” . (Last I knew)

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