Or admit to in it's leader.

Thanks sysprog, that's good stuff.

I just read Kristol's op-ed and then the Orwell essay he bases it on.

Orwell's essay is exceedingly deep and rich with insight into Kipling, Imperialism, class, the left, and poetry.

Seeing how little Kristol chose from that tapestry and then rereading this from his Times piece; "And, if I may say so, the quality of thought of the Democrats’ academic and media supporters — a permanent and, as it were, pensioned opposition — seems to me to have deteriorated as Orwell would have predicted.", makes one shake ones' head.

Kristol's first use of an Orwell quote refers to Kipling as “morally insensitive and aesthetically disgusting”, but leaves out the preceeding five words it would have taken to quote the sentence entirely; " Kipling is a jingo imperialist,...".

And, of course, a jingo imperialist like Kristol can't afford leaving that in and drawing attention to himself.

For anyone who hasn't had the chance to read the essay, here's part of the fifth graph:

Kipling spent the later part of his life in sulking, and no doubt it was political disappointment rather than literary vanity that account for this. Somehow history had not gone according to plan. After the greatest victory she had ever known, Britain was a lesser world power than before, and Kipling was quite acute enough to see this. The virtue had gone out of the classes he idealized, the young were hedonistic or disaffected, the desire to paint the map red had evaporated. He could not understand what was happening, because he had never had any grasp of the economic forces underlying imperial expansion. It is notable that Kipling does not seem to realize, any more than the average soldier or colonial administrator, that an empire is primarily a money-making concern. Imperialism as he sees it is a sort of forcible evangelizing. You turn a Gatling gun on a mob of unarmed "natives," and then you establish "the Law," which includes roads, railways and a court-house. He could not foresee, therefore, that the same motives which brought the Empire into existence would end by destroying it.

A Hermit shed is enough for me.

The grief I've know and I will shed,

the worldly strife may kill a flea and me?

Well, I will shed the silly strife and be free.

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Che? The hut is much more fun than a DVD.

W.T.? Bang a tambourine on R. P's hip and knee?

The GOPS are real shame. OT- The clouds were great today.

If the cloud-watching can't keep the Mind off the GOPS-Dooms-Glum!

The baloney "news" chatter can drive a sane person to shed some real tears.

Let them browse the glossy magazines to browse what is in vogue-fashion to wear.

As a frequent commenter says frequently-Let them false-fake-GOPS wear Turnip-Sacks!

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Ye'all's GOPS need to sleep on a city park bench, and roll on the side at midnight to urinate.

The GOPS can flat-out drive a sane citizen sheer feelin' mighty crazy, but a true people will recuperate as the neocon's discombobulate. Yep.

Today I read about a bomb dropping into a peaceful neighborhood to kill a so-called Hezbollah (Party of God) (affiliated with Iran?) , and children are dreary this eve also. There will be NO eve strolls to the ice cream parlor to have a crispy brown baked cone, filled with a double scoop of vanilla ice-cream with crunched pistachio nuts. And bomber Mc-Cain, who dropped 500 pounds from a 28,000 aerial height above the urban population centers, gets a go-ahead endorsement from GWB's junior's papa. Murderous. However...

I heard geese overhead cluck more sense.

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Oh, ah, and let the economy expand how?

All the GOPS ladies can haggle like geese?

Oh, hear cluck-sounds as they promenade.

Oh. Yep. Cluck sound with the neocon lip!

Go to a hodgepodge market bargain place!

Watch them 'whores' riffling through bras!

O, there are piles and heaps of GOP creeps.

Oh, there are some good taste folks here?

Yes. sense such beauty in contrast to GOPS!

Recently read a biography of Orwell which really filled out the life of an author I knew mostly because of "Animal Farm". If I recall, he spent the first five years out of school in the Burma colonial police, and this is where his views on Empire were forged.

When he came back to England, didn't he disappear for weeks or months at a time into the life of the working poor, which he then chronicled.

William Kristol will never, in a thousand years, be able to do anything more than shine George Orwell's shoes.

-- Dirigo

Putting Kristol's name in the same sentence as shoe shine boys is an insult to shoe shine boys world wide.

Get Rhythm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSOmhqfn0x8

One thing is as clear as a bell from the Orwell you just posted: William Kristol will never, in a thousand years, be able to do anything more than shine George Orwell's shoes.

There are some conservatives, like Goldwater, that stay true to their beliefs and principles. We have seen so many political individuals and groups today that only believe in the ends justify any means, that we tend to forget that politicians who hold true to their principles do still exist. And maybe their numbers are growing because the electorate is demanding it.

-Not to win but to draw fire-

'Bring it on' would be one of the more obvious indications.

Or was it 'Bring 'em on'?

How more blatant could Bush be that he was using our troops to draw fire?

liz1388

Yeah, you noticed that, too? But remember, first he had to hang them out (when the whole army staged) as WMD bait! Then, after the "brilliant campaign" to conquer a virtually defenseless country, he really had no "war" to speak of. So the only thing to do was occupy, detain and torture the population, destroy the infrastructure, and meddle in politics (small potatoes after the invasion, but still) and steal, steal, steal, from Iraquis, Iraq, and the American public.

Finally, when the atrocities became too much to bear, Bush finally got his war- with the civilian population of Iraq, with whatever they could scrounge (Bush left them plenty of arms and explosives, it's only polite) and of course, within the limits of their own internal struggles and rifts.

And they can't even "win" that war! Not to mention destroying a country in the process, which is supposed to make them love and emulate us.

At least that's the way I see it. And I'll tell you one undisputable thing, and you can take it how you want: When Saddam was in power, my Duc always started!