Letters to the Editor
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Thanks Kitt, bystander
I'm going to investigate it. At very least, it would be a show of strength if no one used their phones that day, but I need to see whether that would be far enough into the future and who might join. And I meant what I said about De-CSS, but that could get people into trouble. Does anybody know if it's actually illegal to communicate in undocumented codes if you aren't selling or distributing the codecs?
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Harry Reid does not wear an especially secure crown
While we may rant that we need a 60 or 90-day mourning period, I seriously doubt that a man of the character of ondelette and others in the commentariat will need more than a few days or hours. There is no quit in this group. The bigger the challenge, the more determination they will exhibit.
Yes, although the nonstop gnashing of teeth this morning got really old really fast. The votes in the Senate are falling out essentially as expected. all we can do now is organize to inflict political damage on the individual politicians who failed to act in our interests or their own .
Harry Reid is very vulnerable in Nevada. The main reason you would have trouble getting netroots/Dailykos/firedoglake support of any effort to unseat him is because he would most likely be replaced by some ultra-rightist quasi-Libertarian type. Not necessarily a Republican, but someone who would vote with them on all but the most obvious, atavistic rights issues.
What I have learned from watching this FISA drama play out (and we still have the House) [...] is how the congress, especially the senate, has operated in the dark for so long and how seemingly arcane parliamentary rules can obscure what is really going on. How a vote can’t be evaluated based on yea or nay. -- Retired Military Patriot
And they sure do seem to hope that popular ignorance will continue to be the rule, eh? The dissections of their actions in venues like Glenn's comments pages are worth reading. Not all comments are spot on or make sense -- but you learn how to filter out the noise. I'm guessing that there is some small cohort of well-connected readers who soothe themselves with notion that a venue which provides space for histrionic comments can't possibly be of danger to them over the long haul. I think that is a wonderful sentiment. They should cherish it and cling to it.
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Steven Rockford - The Johnny Telco memo.
Steven,
What is really sad is that there probably is an email out there like this.
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Kitt, bystander, ondelette, RMP
Qwest is not available to me on the east coast. I don't know what Credo is... another telecom or an internet provider?
RMP, we may not need weeks or months of mourning, but we could all wear black, as those in mourning once did. I did for quite some time after Gore v Bush. And my family thinks I never really stopped...
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Obama cast his vote. Now let him defend it.
The Elephantman's graveyard.
I submit that Glenn Greenwald is one of the "30 per centers" on telcom immunity.
Why so? Based upon your own predilications for illegal activity, or simply because you need to take a contrary position?
Please, please, please, let a Democrat like Obama or Hillary campaign for the Presidency on the notion that they support lawsuits against the telcoms who cooperated with the Executive branch in the war on terror.
Hmmm. Support due process and the rule of law, or support blatantly illegal activity in the name of a nonexistent "war"?
Anyone with an ounce of integrity would find that an easy one.
-- Iokannan in the Well
Look, you're not going to change my mind on the issue and I don't maintain any illusion of changing yours. All that I am saying is that I can hardly wait to start campaigning on Obama's pro-lawsuit vote. And then let voters in swing states decide. Hell, this year California and New York might be "swing states." And Obama won't even be defended on this issue by most of his Senate colleagues or even notable neocon hawks like, uh, Jamie Gorelick. Riiiight.
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Ondelette
You are so far over my head with De-CSS, I haven't a clue. I barely understand PGP. Where's Arne when we need him? UT-thread to Arne. Come in Arne.
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Anonymust
CREDO Mobile -
http://www.credomobile.com/?entrycode=400250
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Ele:
Polls are 60 to 30 against telecom amnesty. Just because the Senate is a bunch of bought and paid for cretins doesn't mean that enough of the populace doesn't get it. You're still the "30 percenter".
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So you won't try to defend your own position, Elephantman?
Look, you're not going to change my mind on the issue and I don't maintain any illusion of changing yours. All that I am saying is that I can hardly wait to start campaigning on Obama's pro-lawsuit vote.
What you're saying is you take a position and decline to defend it. The Senator from my state of birth isn't here shooting his mouth off.
You are.
So pony up, put up, and defend your supposed position on the issue.
Or don't, as the case may be. But don't expect anything but the back of my hand (metaphorically, of course). You and yours have earned nothing else.
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Could Glenn or someone else explain...
why this does not qualify as an ex post facto law, which are banned under the Constitution?
As for why this is happening, I can only posit two theories: 1) the belief of every politician that none of their careers could survive another terrorist attack, thus giving their opponent the club of an odious "allowed this to happen" charge to beat them over the head with; 2) a fair number of people, and not just politicians, no longer believe in freedom, at least not at the cost of possible injuries to life and property. Land of the brave, indeed.
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Multi-pronged Attack
Each of must have the mourning period needed, after which this prescription: a quick belt of the prophylactic snake-bite medicine of one's choice, and then a brave back up into the ssaddle.
Other fronts include, among others:
More Better Democrats (you might be one!)
Redress on the torture issue
Continuation of grassroots organization to GOTV, maintain pressure on enviro issues, etc. -
Poll in PDF
Voters vigorously oppose warrantless wiretaps, blanket warrants, and immunity for telecom companies
http://tinyurl.com/2kv4nb