Letters to the Editor
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Glenn, your article is very telling...
I think it is interesting that the lobbyists involved are from the two former presidential administrations. I think it is very telling that there was, and is, only one democratic presidential candidate who refused to sign a contract to revise and return the US Constituion to its original intent. I think it will be very telling to see who the democratric senators are that support the amnesty, and who they are supporting as the democratic candidate for President???
All very telling....and I wonder if the approval of this bill will have an affect on who the democratic nominee will be??? Afterall, this bill will give great powers over all channels of communication, no? Who is Reid supporting???
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Amnesty for Roger Clemons' trainer??
Will Clemons' trainer get amnesty for telling all? Giving where the bar has been set, I don't see how congress can get all santimonious about seroids in baseball when democracy itself is being legislated out of operation.
Given how much our PM walks in lock-step with Bush, this has implications for us too.
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30 per centers.
Loyal Republicans like me are routinely sneered at as "30 per centers" here at Salon.
I submit that Glenn Greenwald is one of the "30 per centers" on telcom immunity.
Please, please, please, let a Democrat like Obama or Hillary campaign for the Presidency on the notion that they support lawsuits against the telcoms who cooperated with the Executive branch in the war on terror.
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Two Questions
What are the procedures with the House on reconciliation of FSIA legislation, considering reports that a block of House leaders (some committee chairs) are saying they oppose telecom immunity?
How quickly can some kind of boycott of telecom services be mounted, perhaps a sort of reverse "lights out" action, like a union work stoppage, just to get people's attention (Sounds far-fetched I know)?
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how pathetic
It just amazes me that the dem controlled congress passed a bill that the republican controlled congress wouldn't. That for me is the most amazing part of this whole sale destruction of our rights. That dems would do what republicans wouldn't. That piece of shit Reid saying he was opposed to telco immunity, while doing everything in his power to ensure it would be passed. How stupid does he think we are? FUCK HIM AND ALL THE REST OF THE DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS. While I'm at it here's a FUCK YOU at John Conyers. Did anyone hear what that piece of shit said recently? He said was on the "verge of starting impeachment". He's on the VERGE of doing something. Gee let's see what has transpired lately. Bush admin admits they engaged in illegal torture. Admits they wiretapped our phones without warrants. "Accidently" deleted over year's worth of emails that they were required by law to save. What has to happen before you get passed the VERGE of doing something and actually do something Conyers? Does Bush have to strangle a baby with his bare hands? I doubt even that would make the dems start impeachment proceedings. Pathetic is the only word to describe our congressional leadership, absolutely pathetic.
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I keep thinking I couldn't possibly be more ashamed of what these people will descend to
And they keep finding new lows.
Does America mean nothing anymore?
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This is the Tragic Legacy of Bush43 complete.
And make no mistake, its Bush's legacy. It was at his initiative that all this has come to pass; there are those who helped it along, true, but for Bush's direction it would not have begun. Now we dare not trust our very institutions or each other, lest we be branded wrongly for imaginary crimes.
Yes, Its a shameful and bitter chapter in our nation's history that like it or not we're going to have to live with. Trust is always the first casualty of any conflict, martial or ideological, and is always the last wound to heal. But it does heal.
This is not the be all and end all of our history however, nor is it the 'death bell' of the Republic. Its one moment in time, and time will not stand still regardless of how many reactionary conservatives wail and gnash their teeth and call out for Divine Intervention.
This is Bush's legacy and his alone.
Now it time for the rest of us to make our own, hopefully a better one than this messianic nihlist.
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C. Mosby:
Has anyone else noticed (perhaps I’m imagining it)the slightly veiled embarrassment I detect on the faces of those two lizards (Bond & Rockefeller) as they bravely rise in opposition to certain amendments?
-- C. Mosby
Didn't see that with Bond. But then he always looks like a lizard. I thought I did see it with Rockefeller though. He looked and sounded rather pathetic while standing and lying.
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We already know...
We already know how Shubbery likes to make shit up as he goes but this is ridiculous!
So not only is the Senate enacting a bill granting vast new warrantless eavesdropping powers to the President, they are unwilling even to declare that it is the law of the land and that he is required to abide by it.
They are not only giving a blank check but they're giving it to a paranoid pathological liar.
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re: C. Mosby
The point made by C. Mosby should not be overlooked. Just think of how cynical it is for Harry Reid to have worked for telecom immunity, to have done all in his power to block the Dodd/Feingold amendment, and *then* to vote in favor of it? That is just breathtakingly shameful.
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I WAS ONCE PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN
I feel sick and ashamed. I used to sneer at the NRA, but now I realize that they were right all along. The few among us who still give a sh** about our constitutional rights will need guns in order to protect ourselves from right wing traitors (like the NRA) and their arse licking toadies, the so-called leadership of the Democratic Party.
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The Elephantman's graveyard.
I submit that Glenn Greenwald is one of the "30 per centers" on telcom immunity.
Why so? Based upon your own predilications for illegal activity, or simply because you need to take a contrary position?
Please, please, please, let a Democrat like Obama or Hillary campaign for the Presidency on the notion that they support lawsuits against the telcoms who cooperated with the Executive branch in the war on terror.
Hmmm. Support due process and the rule of law, or support blatantly illegal activity in the name of a nonexistent "war"?
Anyone with an ounce of integrity would find that an easy one.