You may not have anywhere to go with your vote this year. You're not reeaallly gonna vote for Barack, and you can't really pull the lever for McCain can ya, 'cuz he's gonna have a hundred years ware all over the place. No tellin' where we'll be next with ol' John bomb bomb bomb Iran.

So you're an isolationist who wants to vote for Obama, and it's okay if Indians and Pakistanis blow each other to bits, contaminating the South Asian sub continent while they're at it; and, al Qaida can seize Pakistan's unprotected nukes during all the the confusion.

You're okay with that.

People said that after Vietnam, too. Well, except for the camel part.

At some point we have to let the world police itself.

I imagine, for you, that point will come as soon as Democrats get control of foreign policy and will be left behind or not quite reached if Republicans keep control.

Well hey, I'm just like you, another arm chair general; but I don't think you can guarantee that such an order will not be made.

Think about it. Who could defend taking over another country because they have nukes? Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt, and rode the camel. Back in the day, polls for going into Iraq were around 70% positive. Today, I can't believe anyone is going to support going into India and China's backyard.

Quite frankly, between the Clinton scandals, impeachment, 9/11, the war, bursting bubbles, bitter partisanship, and the realization that we have limits.... the country is damned tired of Drama with a capital "D". There's a catchy campaign phrase in there somewhere. Stop the drama, vote Obama. Something like that.

At some point we have to let the world police itself. India would be the most likely place a nuke from Pakistan would be set off. If they don't want to intervene, let's let them suffer the consequences of neglect.

Yeah, they were all "our guys" at one time or 'tuther - all of our little Frankensteins.

http://salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/02/14/cnn_mcconnell

*** A gang of armed, lawless thugs

That's what libertarians think about The State.

-- Fffffftt

Why do they keep running for office and trying to get elected, then?

I love the way you capitalize "The State" like that.

You are thinking of anarchists or anti-statists and they'd say the same about any state. Even Denmark, Norway or Sweden. Especially Denmark, Norway and Sweden. You remind me of these guys.

Dumb and Dumber: Are Americans Hostile to Knowledge? ***

Not to mention a few other qualities being slowly leeched away from the American soul:

~ Kindness

~ Civility

~ Gentleness

~ Respect (self and to others)

~ Honesty

... and on and on and on and on

Methinks the lizard-brain is not just being re-awakened but growing. Maybe it's all the hormones in our food products?

I hope the Dems have finally realized that the thugs actions can backfire and make them look very foolish. Once a bully's bluff has been called, the bully is defeated. Please Dems hold firm!

-- Retired Military Patriot

Just the other day Condi Rice was questioned by a congressman about why she sold the war based on only one side of the evidence pro or con about Iraq's WMD statis. Condi got all whiny and fake indignant and told yet another bunch of lies. But that episode was based on something that all happened "long" enough ago that people will just give her a pass or close to it.

Well guess what. This is exactly the same thing happening now. The lying Republicans, and George Bush, are lying in our faces that if congress doesn't pass this retroactive telecom immunity along with the rest of the bill exactly the way the president wants it to be passed, and he then has to veto the bill, there is no FISA bill at all to "protect the American people from terroists". It is a bald face lie told over and over again. And it is so easy to expose it as such, just as it would have and should have been so easy to expose the lies that lead us into this horrible war.

Democrats and all believers in truth, Make your f'ing case! Don't let this one slide.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/05/20050524-3.html

As you -- as I mentioned to you earlier, we're going to redesign the current system. If you've retired, you don't have anything to worry about -- third time I've said that. (Laughter.) I'll probably say it three more times. See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda. (Applause.)

- - The President, 05/24/2005

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2008/02/20080214-1.html

For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
February 14, 2008

President Bush Discusses Protect America Act
South Lawn

1:00 P.M. EST

THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon. This Saturday at midnight, legislation authorizing intelligence professionals to quickly and effectively monitor terrorist communications will expire. If Congress does not act by that time, our ability to find out who the terrorists are talking to, what they are saying, and what they are planning will be compromised.

[...] I am scheduled to leave tomorrow for a long-planned trip to five African nations. Moments ago, my staff informed the House leadership that I'm prepared to delay my departure, and stay in Washington with them, if it will help them complete their work on this critical bill.

The lives of countless Americans depend on our ability to monitor terrorist communications.

[...] I'll answer a few questions. Ben, if you've got a question, I'll be prepared to answer.

Q Thank you, Mr. President. It appears with that deadline approaching, that the House and the White House might be seen as being engaged in a game of chicken here, playing politics with an important intelligence law. [...]

THE PRESIDENT: [...] The problem is they let the bill expire. My attitude is, if the bill was good enough then, why not pass the bill again? [...]

- - The President, 02/14/2008